Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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That would be 1983, in a basket at the end of the crew scheduling counter. My hero's were the guys with two or three envelopes in the basket. [Wisconsin farmers] C/S had the picture wall with all the Vietnam action photos.
Luckily, I've got an awesome sleeper of a kid. He goes to bed at 2130 and usually gets up around 0900.
Gets Weekends Off
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Once you upgrade...another 5 minutes of two-engine taxi or 10 minutes of early APU start on every flight for the remainder of your career should put a dent in their $4000.
You might not have the money...but neither will they.
But soon, I'm sure they'll use Big Data to beat us down. Another year or two--in fact, probably just in time for the next Section 6--and captains will be getting pinged by the CP: "we see your APU burn time is 20% higher than average for this temperature on this aircraft at this airport. Why don't you take a week off to think about it?"
...and ALPA will threaten to think about possibly considering a weakly worded letter to explore the possibility of a grievance.
You might not have the money...but neither will they.

But soon, I'm sure they'll use Big Data to beat us down. Another year or two--in fact, probably just in time for the next Section 6--and captains will be getting pinged by the CP: "we see your APU burn time is 20% higher than average for this temperature on this aircraft at this airport. Why don't you take a week off to think about it?"
...and ALPA will threaten to think about possibly considering a weakly worded letter to explore the possibility of a grievance.

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Sorry, I've been burned by the reroute bug more times than I care to admit and all was "legal" per our contract.
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FARE RULES TEXT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND UNITED KINGDOM DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ/OK/DL/AS/QX/Z K/ 3M/VS OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS -TO FORM. ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ / OK/ DL/AS/QX/ZK/3M/VS IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VI A ATLANTIC. COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER DL/AF/KL / AZ/ VS IN RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF ATDLR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 OR RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF TAPVR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POI NT- BWI-WAS FLL-MIA OAK-SFO OAK-SJC SFO-SJC LAX -ONT LAX-BUR LAX-LGB LAX-SNA ONT-BUR ONT-LGB ONT -SNA BUR-LGB BUR-SNA LGB-SNA NYC-EWR
Now, what does that all mean?

The associated Fly for EVEN Less fare has the wording "This ticket is non-refundable" under it, which implies that the Fly Confirmed for Less fare would be refundable. You certainly can't read the above and verify that.
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Last edited by tsquare; 04-19-2014 at 03:32 PM.
No, but it could be a backup on the last flight that would get us there for the tour start. We are planning to leave 3 days early. How can you tell if it is refundable? Here is what TravelNet says:
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FARE RULES TEXT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND UNITED KINGDOM DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ/OK/DL/AS/QX/Z K/ 3M/VS OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS -TO FORM. ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ / OK/ DL/AS/QX/ZK/3M/VS IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VI A ATLANTIC. COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER DL/AF/KL / AZ/ VS IN RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF ATDLR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 OR RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF TAPVR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POI NT- BWI-WAS FLL-MIA OAK-SFO OAK-SJC SFO-SJC LAX -ONT LAX-BUR LAX-LGB LAX-SNA ONT-BUR ONT-LGB ONT -SNA BUR-LGB BUR-SNA LGB-SNA NYC-EWR
Now, what does that all mean?
The associated Fly for EVEN Less fare has the wording "This ticket is non-refundable" under it, which implies that the Fly Confirmed for Less fare would be refundable. You certainly can't read the above and verify that.
CHANGES/REFUNDS
FARE RULES TEXT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND UNITED KINGDOM DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ/OK/DL/AS/QX/Z K/ 3M/VS OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS -TO FORM. ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ / OK/ DL/AS/QX/ZK/3M/VS IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VI A ATLANTIC. COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER DL/AF/KL / AZ/ VS IN RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF ATDLR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 OR RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF TAPVR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POI NT- BWI-WAS FLL-MIA OAK-SFO OAK-SJC SFO-SJC LAX -ONT LAX-BUR LAX-LGB LAX-SNA ONT-BUR ONT-LGB ONT -SNA BUR-LGB BUR-SNA LGB-SNA NYC-EWR
Now, what does that all mean?

The associated Fly for EVEN Less fare has the wording "This ticket is non-refundable" under it, which implies that the Fly Confirmed for Less fare would be refundable. You certainly can't read the above and verify that.

I was thinking about using a fly for less ticket for our next cruise........now not so much. Looks like USAir will get my biz again.
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