gloopy

Of course not. 5191 could have happened to anyone. Wrong signs, wrong NOTAMS, wrong charts, wrong ATIS, wrong markings, FAA controller in violation of policy…a single controller instead of 2 and on part 2 of full back to back shifts with 2 hours of sleep in between. And that exact same wrong line up scenario had been occuring several times to other 121 and GA aircraft but were usually caught by the controller(s) or pilots on the line up. Another company's RJ (because that's pretty much all any airline flew there during that time) was told to abort by a controller on the roll. The saying "an accident waiting to happen" is an epic understatement.

I hate outsourcing. We need to offer it no quarter and do the heavy lifting to reduce it as much as possible. There are plenty of legitimate examples that we can use as incitements of outsourcing taking bites out of safety, customer service and efficiency. 5191 isn't one. That could have been anyone.

gloopy

Bro I hate to seem like I'm piling on, but for the benefit of those who follow you to the process on VA ave, there is no arrogant attitude with DL HR. They are extremely laid back and professional and mostly very, very friendly and on your side. But they have a job to do, and part of that job is occasionally play bad cop or whatever you want to call it to see how people handle it. That may sound coy, but there have been some examples of very good and qualified people absolutely cracking after a few minutes of "grilling" or whatever you want to call it. Some have even felt so pressured they literally quit the sit down interview halfway through and walked out, even though it really wasn't that bad.

Its a big day, the weight of the world is on your shoulders, and someone starts pressing your buttons; its not always easy to stay focused as well as you need to. I'm not sure what you are referring to, but I'm positive it was garden variety interview protocol. They don't hire everyone, obviously, but over all they are on your side when you walk in there. They will press to test however. If you give them a status light and run your QRH properly, you'll be fine. If you go full on fire bell GPWS stick shaker trim horn on them (even if its just quietly inside your head) its going to be very hard to get the nod.

Believe me when I say the vast majority of DL pilots are just like anywhere else. We may be proud of our company and glad we are here, but we clock in with all the other the coyotes and sheepdogs just like everyone else. The interview team is exceptional and the absolute opposite of arrogant.

I'm sorry you didn't get the job. Seriously. You clearly have a good record and flying quals. Yes or no though, you somehow came out of that interview thinking they are arrogant and mean, you probably gave them a very basic reason(s) not to hire you. It may or may not have been super obvious during the tunnel vision of a high stressed interview, but if it is your goal to move on to other airlines, you really should reflect on what you could have done differently. There are easier interviews out there to be sure. But there's enough similarities in all of them that would apply to this discussion.

Best of luck to you. The industry is opening up like it hasn't in a very, very long time. Its a great time to have the logbook and resume that you do.

gloopy

ok thats pretty awesome!

CGfalconHerc

I think if you tube the HR interview, you're done.

p3flteng

Any advice for someone who got assigned OE over my daughters college graduation? Even though I requested it off! Man am I PO'd!

iaflyer

I'd talk to the fleet manager. The ones that I've met are reasonable people - your daughter only graduates college once or twice. (maybe 3) Explain that you talked to the OE scheduler, etc. I'm sure all the fleets have plenty of people going for OE, shouldn't be a problem to move the next guy up. Otherwise.. cough, cough.

CGfalconHerc

Unless you're a new hire..definitely don't fake a cough if you're on probation, especially since they know you need the time off.

bohicagain

Man up to the fleet but good luck had a guy in my class with a 8 1/2 pregnant wife and they could not promise anything schedule wise just to positive space him if wife went into labor

NERD

Maybe an APD?

tsquare

You're right that there wasn't anything in that article, but it isn't hard to connect those dots.