Alan Shore

Stands ups were NOT worth 11 hours at NWA, as they were considered a single duty period. They triggered 1 for 2 (1 for 1 3/4 for part of the stand up), and so were worth around 6 hours a piece.

Big E 757

All aircraft types that have 30+ hour layovers now could have CDO's. 757 for sure.

index

Looks like hockeypilot was right and the odds you gave it...the same as "working only 1 day/month for a million dollar signing bonus"...we're quite a bit off.

Schedule with safety. Yeah, right.

Check Essential

Hey ALPA -

What are you doing? The clock is ticking.

If its possible there is not going to be memrat and you plan to vote up or down on Wednesday --

we need to see this thing NOW!

Just put the LOA out. You can write all the extra stuff over the next couple days.

scambo1

Aside from paying pilots for the personal drops, what needs to be implemented prior to a finalized agreement?

Alan Shore

Someone else posted that ADG (which applies to both regular and reserve) is being improved. What if it's all the way up to 5:15 per day, such that reserves now get the same pay for every trip as regulars?

Would that make a difference?

DALMD88FO

I'd like to see that. Then these 3 day all nighters that currently pay 13:30 would go more senior.

Check Essential

It sounds like we got the 5:15 per day.
The catch is the "exceptions".
Late sign-ins and early arriving all-nighters may not count as a "day".

We need the language!

Delta 320Driver

I don't agree.

I spoke with 2 of my reps and got some of the alleged details of the CDO language.

1) The legs to be flown cannot be more than 2 hours in length
2) The CDO layover has to be SCHEDULED for > 6 hours.

I am with you that a pilot isn't going to get the kind of sleep they would prefer but it is a pretty good amount considering the old CDO's had us sleeping on the airplane at times! (XJ Days)

The CDOs are going to go fairly senior due to the trip rig and I also think that solving the 30 hours layover issue is in everybody's interest. If I can get home 12 hours earlier and make the same amount of money, I'm all in.

I don't see aiding the company from an efficiency standpoint as a "give" on the negotiating front. It is a quality of life issue for pilots. We can fit more flying into our schedules (if you choose to do so) and you spend more time at home. It is a win-win.

index

Yes you did. And tsquare ridiculed you about the likelihood of CDOs at Delta. He compared it with the likelihood of us working 1 day/month with a $1m signing bonus. You were spot on and he was, well, blustering as usual.