Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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You will get straight pay on the portion of any GS to get you to the trigger and double pay on any amount above the trigger. The exact amount can be determined be looking closely at the lower portion of your timecard. Don't forget about the bank option to get to the trigger.
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I also heard that it was because we used to get sim time in MIA and elsewhere too. (Remember the sims at Greenwood or whatever that place was?) But now that everybody is hiring, unused sim time is at a premium if it is available at all... Newhires can train on the backside of the clock. It'll be good for 'em.
When I checked out in the left seat of the 767 in Sept. 2000, they sent us to Miami, the Pan Am training center, with those nice C periods, out in time to hit the clubs on South Beach!
Great fun that! Beats the heck out 30 days on Va. Ave, and Spondivits.
I get that a large portion of the CEO's compensation is based on stock and options. Are you advocating that a large portion of our compensation package be made of "at risk" dollars? I have heard quite a few pilots advocate just that, others want straight pay in their check.
I do believe if you are going to start using stock etc in a compensation comparison, one needs to be consistent and willing to accept it themselves.
I do believe if you are going to start using stock etc in a compensation comparison, one needs to be consistent and willing to accept it themselves.
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I'm not taking sides here, but when you hold the levers of power, as our executives do, those dollars are not as 'at risk' as our profit sharing is. They have made it their singular goal to be a blue chip transport stock, and every decision they have made has been to effect that change, such as pumping profits into stock buybacks. We have no such power over the stock price.
Well...what did they think was going to happen?
I'm not taking sides here, but when you hold the levers of power, as our executives do, those dollars are not as 'at risk' as our profit sharing is. They have made it their singular goal to be a blue chip transport stock, and every decision they have made has been to effect that change, such as pumping profits into stock buybacks. We have no such power over the stock price.
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By the way --
Anderson's wife has also been granted stock and options.
She just sold some 5 days ago. Look closer at the SEC filing that ATL7ER posted:
SEC FORM 4
Anderson's wife has also been granted stock and options.
She just sold some 5 days ago. Look closer at the SEC filing that ATL7ER posted:
SEC FORM 4
That is why we shouldn't be paid in stock. We have virtually no control in the stock price so why tie our compensation to that? I also feel that way about profit sharing. While the check is nice and it feels like extra pay, I would gladly take an extra 6-7% each month in my hourly rates.
This is interesting.....
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Get real?? Really?
Were you not here when the company told us if we gave them a 32% pay cut, they'd stay out of bankrutpcy? And did you not read the "Bankruptcy Protection Letter" re. our DB plan they promised they would save?
Now you want me to get real? I am real, REAL PIZZED OFF!
If you want to "Negotiate" with Richard, you start at the Maximum, not the minimum...
So if 9 is unreasonable, what is your personal minimum?
Were you not here when the company told us if we gave them a 32% pay cut, they'd stay out of bankrutpcy? And did you not read the "Bankruptcy Protection Letter" re. our DB plan they promised they would save?
Now you want me to get real? I am real, REAL PIZZED OFF!
If you want to "Negotiate" with Richard, you start at the Maximum, not the minimum...
So if 9 is unreasonable, what is your personal minimum?
One of the "Dont's" was "Don't set unrealistic goals. Otherwise you will inevitably be disappointed." So, pre-C2K we had to negotiate pay rates for the 777. We opened with $346/hr. We ended up "settling" for $265/hr (slightly more than it pays today, 14 years later!). We also got a 6% pay raise for everyone on the property and immediate elimination of the B-scale.
It was a great agreement, and set a lot of groundwork for C2K. But the "just say no" crowd would not have a minute of it. They were so focused on our opener that they STILL thought of us as "sellouts" "wimps" and the like. It was feel-good chest-thumping that only makes sense written on the bathroom stalls, but somehow that mindset has been accepted as "keeping it real" "protecting the profession" and the like. It is not.
So, what would I like to see? I would like to see a min pay per day of 5.30-6 hours. I would CERTAINLY like to see vacation and CQ days pay much more (and that IS "realistic"). But like I told someone else, we all say "higher min day pay" and act like we will get it and all our trips will look identical or better than they currently do, and some min-pay-per-day fairy will magically sprinkle some more hours on to the trips we currently fly, and everything else remains as is. Probably not. My guess is if we went to 6+ hours a day min pay, you would see most domestic trips look like the NYC trips--completely non-commutable on both ends, and then you can imagine the outcry when that happened!
Another "Do" was "DO realize that negotiating is hard work, and preparation is key" (or something similar). But how could that be? If you believe a lot of message boards, negotiating should be the easiest thing in the world. You have no need to cost anything out, examine the company's position, operations, numbers, competition, business plan, etc, etc. You just walk in, slap down your opener, then head to the nearest pub to down a few until the company calls and says "sounds good, where can we sign?"
Hey, we need more--lots more. I am just on board with our current MEC approach, were we get lots and lots of modest improvements on a fairly continuous basis. It may not make headlines, but it HAS made our lives better--pay rates are getting there, the DPSP is up to 15% contributions, vacation slide, bidding for CQ, pos space deviate from DH on either end of a trip (I know you like that feature) etc etc. None of those things just magically appeared. They were the result of hardworking committees who kept things low-key and "realistic." But they have been real improvement.
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