Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-17-2014 | 11:52 AM
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05-17-2014 | 11:59 AM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Okay, I understand now. The FAA always gets it right... and legal is always safe. So in the old FAR's, the minimum reduced layover was 8 hours and that was safe...... until it wasn't. And now, in FAR 117, they went out of their way to make 8 hours of sleep to be the standard for the amount of sleep a pilot should get before carrying passengers. But since they put some split duty language into the FAR to allow for CDO's, it's okay for THOSE pilots to have less than 8 hours of sleep (cause you and I both know pilots aren't sleeping 8 hours during the day before beginning a CDO).
Yeah, I agree with you. It's legal.
But it's not safe. Now way no how.
Maybe they had one "panel" that decided 8 hours of sleep was important and another panel that decided it wasn't?
Yeah, I agree with you. It's legal.
But it's not safe. Now way no how.
Maybe they had one "panel" that decided 8 hours of sleep was important and another panel that decided it wasn't?
So we'll have to compromise to get an overall better product for the pilot group. Reducing those 30 hour layovers that I have no option in avoiding and adding in CDOs with restrictions and override that some will prefer while overall improving workrules (equalizing ADG and DPA is huge!) and adding pilot jobs is preferrable.
05-17-2014 | 12:01 PM
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05-17-2014 | 12:03 PM
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Nobody is saying that. These trips with a 30 hr layover and over 8 hours of flying after a 0400 wake up are not exactly safe (for me) either.
So we'll have to compromise to get an overall better product for the pilot group. Reducing those 30 hour layovers that I have no option in avoiding and adding in CDOs with restrictions and override that some will prefer while overall improving workrules (equalizing ADG and DPA is huge!) and adding pilot jobs is preferrable.
So we'll have to compromise to get an overall better product for the pilot group. Reducing those 30 hour layovers that I have no option in avoiding and adding in CDOs with restrictions and override that some will prefer while overall improving workrules (equalizing ADG and DPA is huge!) and adding pilot jobs is preferrable.
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05-17-2014 | 12:04 PM
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I hear day 1 of long rsv is fixed among other things, but of course the devil is in the details. I hope they are realizing that "hey, we've got something!" and then 2 days of crickets is not how you handle things.
Not to cheapen those involved nor the product... but they've got throw a bone to the natives with some concrete stuff. Preferably the entire language.
Not to cheapen those involved nor the product... but they've got throw a bone to the natives with some concrete stuff. Preferably the entire language.
05-17-2014 | 12:14 PM
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I might be ok with the CDO's if they CAN'T be given to those who bid around them. Make them an option for pilots to bid. Then those that can't get there needed sleep with this type flying can bid around them. Not really fair to allow them then realize guys don't necessarily like them and they fall on the junior guys.
Justifying these things by saying "well they are equally evil to other trips we already fly" is not a good idea. We need to be cleaning out problem areas not allowing more. I mean we already have RJ's so why not just allow more right. Or take out all the condo's in the wide body fleet. I mean some of our guys don't get that option right? Lets think about this
Also no one is addressing the staffing impact. I hope we take a hard look at allowing ourselves to become more efficient for the company.
The other stuff seems to sound good. Just hoping we aren't trading anything when we should be making outright gains.
Justifying these things by saying "well they are equally evil to other trips we already fly" is not a good idea. We need to be cleaning out problem areas not allowing more. I mean we already have RJ's so why not just allow more right. Or take out all the condo's in the wide body fleet. I mean some of our guys don't get that option right? Lets think about this
Also no one is addressing the staffing impact. I hope we take a hard look at allowing ourselves to become more efficient for the company.
The other stuff seems to sound good. Just hoping we aren't trading anything when we should be making outright gains.
05-17-2014 | 12:26 PM
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If you are senior enough to hold SDT/CDO reserve, and you live in base, you will forget you even work for the company. I did it a few years ago, flew 15 hours the whole year.
05-17-2014 | 12:31 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
We all default to long call reserve at DL. There's no such thing as CDO rsv. Completely different contract.
05-17-2014 | 12:33 PM
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I have never complained about other bases stealing "our" flying (only Alaska air). It's Delta's flying and as long as a Delta pilot is flying it for good compensation I don't care. My question to you is are you ok with our contract allowing middle of the night 10:34 3 days?
You idea about other bases flying it is great. It would have to be at least a "real" 4 day for it to work which means it will pay much better then it does now. Problem is we have no control as to how they schedule it and who fly's it.
). It's Delta's flying and as long as a Delta pilot is flying it for good compensation I don't care. My question to you is are you ok with our contract allowing middle of the night 10:34 3 days?You idea about other bases flying it is great. It would have to be at least a "real" 4 day for it to work which means it will pay much better then it does now. Problem is we have no control as to how they schedule it and who fly's it.
05-17-2014 | 12:40 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Actually I am not OK with your LAX-GUA-LAX 3-days that only pay 10+30. That is one thing we need to fix. However, we used to have such entities all over the sytem and fixed that with the ADG (which as you know doesn't apply to trips that check in after 2200). The ATL to UIO trip used to always pay 10.50, now it pays 13.30. I suppose I am trying to say that at least some, if not most of our trips have at least the Average Daily Guarantee in them. We need to finish the process and have it so that it pays for all trips, regardless of sign in. But, if we were to secure that system-wide, don't be surprised to never see your LAX-GUA redeye again, as it will most likely be flown by different bases.
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