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05-18-2014 | 06:51 AM

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index

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Is it possible that our guys actually won one for the old Gipper?

Are you on FPL or are you spinning pro bono?

05-18-2014 | 06:53 AM

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Check Essential

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From: 737 ATL

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge

That's interesting. So if the soft time is pay/no credit would a CDO guy be able to reach the GS trigger?

Probably not. Not without some non-CDO trips.
The 100 hours for 10 days work is a slight exaggeration.
Plus it would be hard to fly too many CDOs because of the FAR limit on consecutive night ops and trips that occur in the window of circadian low, etc.

I think the TA limits them to 3 in a row also. Unverified.

Last edited by Check Essential; 05-18-2014 at 07:07 AM.

05-18-2014 | 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by capncrunch

Now your sales point is that ALPA was just doing the pilots bidding!?!?

Have to raise the BS flag on this one....

We heard you loud and clear. The pilot group told us that CDOs were their top priority. That's what sailing's management buddies would have you think.

05-18-2014 | 06:58 AM

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Sink r8

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So the new pushback policy would be issued right after a TA that fails to include door pay? Awkward.

05-18-2014 | 07:00 AM

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Check Essential

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Your correct, should be 22 hours and 33 hours. Still no way 3 guys is cheaper.

Public math strikes again.

I agree with your point though.
I'm not sure why the company would want domestic augmented.

Just have to wait for the TA and then we might see the light.

05-18-2014 | 07:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by index

Are you on FPL or are you spinning pro bono?

He seems to be far better informed, and informative than you ever are, as well as more balanced. I don't see him making personal attacks, which leaves the field wide-open for you to debate him on facts and issues.

Can you do that?

05-18-2014 | 07:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Is it possible that our guys actually won one for the old Gipper?

Absolutely. But, even if they did, I think my question remains. Does it make sense to you?

05-18-2014 | 07:28 AM

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Doug Masters

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From: Sippin' at the Troubadour

So from what I gather its okay to fly fatigued as long as it pays well.

05-18-2014 | 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Rumor only however it looks like the CDO's were not pushed hard by the company. They were desired and requested by pilots who were flying them and wanted them back….

Who requested them and when did they make the requests? Was there an ALPA survey that went out that I missed, or ignored? It's possible that I don't remember it, so I'm really just asking.

05-18-2014 | 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

The kicker on these CDOs is going to be the pay.
That has not been discussed on this forum yet.

The 7+30 is not a straight pay number.
Some of that is going to be pay/no credit for a lineholder and on top of guarantee for a reserve.

Rumor is that any amount over trip rig or block is going to be premium.

ie = if the CDO is 3 hours of block you will get the remaining 4+30 as pay/no credit.

There could be some guys working 10 days and getting paid 100 hours.
(again, state college math. buyer beware

)

We need to see the TA.

If that were the case some guys would still try to fly to 100 hours hard block and get to 125 pay hours. To each his own, but the "Man Wh0res" amongst us will be digging that.

Of course we all know what 15% of the Pilots flying close to 1000 hard block hours a year does for a upward movement.

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