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Old 07-08-2014 | 12:55 PM
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Jerry, and Purple et al, you espouse a "no concession" contract in 2015. Honest question here, what incentive would management have to even negotiate? Under the RLA, they can sit on our current contract forever and we would stagnate and lose ground to inflation. Are you that happy with our current deal that you would live with it for years beyond the amendable date?
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Is it your assertion that DALPA provided objective, unbiased data on which to base our decisions?
Of course it is.
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The business system in this country is severely broken though, as Wall Street actually punishes you for doing good things.
How do you figure?
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Question, what are the pros and cons of say a 6.75 ADG (say with 0% raise the first year)? Just an increase in the ADG.
It's unrealistic to begin with, but you have the right idea.

Baby steps..... I wouldn't think the company would buy off on going from 5:15 right to 6:45. But maybe 5:30 the first year with incremental raises...
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Jerry, and Purple et al, you espouse a "no concession" contract in 2015. Honest question here, what incentive would management have to even negotiate? Under the RLA, they can sit on our current contract forever and we would stagnate and lose ground to inflation. Are you that happy with our current deal that you would live with it for years beyond the amendable date?

The goodwill of the Pilot group. If 12,000 Pilots stop going above and beyond the operation will suffer.

Just to be crystal-clear, I am not talking about about any type of covert wink-wink type of organized effort. I am talking about Pilots displaying leadership and initiative, preventing issues from even arising by being pro-active. If we stopped doing this, and most surely would, our performance would suffer badly.

Also under the RLA we can make a lot of noise and start taking all the steps leading up to a strike. Even if we were not allowed to strike if we were to slowly jump through the required hoops, with all the accompanying hoopla, passengers bookings could decrease.

Between just these two items and there are probably others, but I only have about 30 seconds of thought into this, we are not entirely without recourse.

Scoop
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
II wouldn't think the company would buy off on
Well, they're not going to "buy off on" anything unless
1) we ask for it;
2) we fight for it;
and
3) DALPA doesn't give up on it
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Well, they're not going to "buy off on" anything unless
1) we ask for it;
2) we fight for it;
and
3) DALPA doesn't give up on it
All your vitriol aside regarding dALPA, like Satchip just asked you, how long are you willing to wait to achieve your goal?
Old 07-08-2014 | 01:57 PM
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I'm going to have a seat lock for upcoming training. If they open a NEW category in a NEW base do seat locks still apply? (i.e. 717 SEA)

Thx,

Humboldt

Oh, and whoever gave Europe eZed advice to me a few months back, thank you, it was much easier than I though it would be.
Old 07-08-2014 | 02:00 PM
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Wow...I would not want to be a blond-haired blue-eyed guy on a Brazil layover tonight. The Germans just handed out an @ss whoopin'
Old 07-08-2014 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
The goodwill of the Pilot group. If 12,000 Pilots stop going above and beyond the operation will suffer.

Just to be crystal-clear, I am not talking about about any type of covert wink-wink type of organized effort. I am talking about Pilots displaying leadership and initiative, preventing issues from even arising by being pro-active. If we stopped doing this, and most surely would, our performance would suffer badly.

Also under the RLA we can make a lot of noise and start taking all the steps leading up to a strike. Even if we were not allowed to strike if we were to slowly jump through the required hoops, with all the accompanying hoopla, passengers bookings could decrease.

Between just these two items and there are probably others, but I only have about 30 seconds of thought into this, we are not entirely without recourse.

Scoop
Do you seriously believe that you have been so abused here to be talking like this already? (Hopefully), this forum is not a microcosm of what the majority of DAL pilots feel like. (With the exception of your (disclaimer) that we would have to jump slowly through the required hoops, which by the way are a long long long way off) I would wager that the vast majority have little to zero interest in acting like what you seem to be advocating. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I have been ingesting too much koolaid for too many years, but from what I have seen, most pilots are pretty happy. Your post just makes you seem...... miserable.
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