We are not talking about the vote, but how the measure ended up on the ballot. So the ends justify the means? 62/38 +/- is a few points is just about the basis by which most contracts have passed recently and has zip to do with Presidential elections, and is apx the same percentage contentious BK contracts passed by.

Questioning of the how of what we end up to vote on is not tearing the organization apart. Voting democratically on a weak product doesn't make it strong or change that we could do better. The idea is to have a superior product to vote on that reflects the achievable desires of the pilots and the direction of the status Reps. Many voted for the TA because they did not have the confidence that the MEC had enough fight after all the proclaimed "we'll get less if we go back" to go back and get more. Hardly a mandate.

How about getting a kick-ass TA the pilots can really get behind?

 

Will it account for inflation/cost of living increases?

If not, it's basically expensive toilet paper. Paid for by us.

But it will look slick.

 

Alfa has spent more time working to put more money in Delta Pilots' pockets and increase Delta Pilots' time off to spend with families than anyone else here.

Assigning motive to the efforts of someone you've never met is pretty disgusting. Your dislike of his perspective and position does not detract from actual results he's helped produce. In fact, your unwillingness to do anything other than lob nonsense from a keyboard versus actually step up and do some work is quite an "unmasking of your benefit" to the pilot group.

For example: fly4hire may have a different perspective than alfa, but he actually put his time and energy into helping his fellow pilots' lives also. I respect that effort, its a thankless and time consuming job.

Actions speak much louder than words, so PD I guess that makes you well, a nothing. Enjoy the ignore list.

Thank you alfa, fly4hire, ACL, and the others of APC who post or lurk that have stepped forward to help their fellow pilots. I encourage the rest of the members of this forum to follow their lead and participate when called upon.

 

yes, we get it. And he's parlayed that "selfless" service into a highly lucrative consulting gig for himself while treating Delta line pilots like village idiots.

not surprising that one of Moak's disciples jumps to the defense of another. bravo.

 

I articulated the answer in an earlier reply since it wasn't obvious to you--but, again, yes, she asked another question after she got pranked with the line that included something like "It got shot down by a fart from Howard Stern's arse." You asking another question of someone in the hallway is understandable, but this ditzy TV lady for MSNBC is on national TV. What did she do wrong? Again, she asked more questions. It's so obvious what she did wrong it begs the question--why are you so forgiving of her? Had she been on Fox you'd be laughing at how dumb she was to keep the conversation going. I would be too, but for some reason since it's on that WH propaganda channel you're making excuses. I just find your reaction somewhat entertaining and interesting because it's an example of how people's biases affect their reactions. What did she have to do before it got to the point you'd find her performance embarrassing? Did she have to go the point of asking, "Do you have any idea how much flatus was expelled from Mr. Stern's anus, and at what speeds it reached to have such a devastating effect on the 747?" As for everything else you said, blah blah blah...I told you what she did wrong and the rest of what I wrote related to my trying to understand the reaction of an American male presumably of average or higher intelligence who for some reason fails to see what is before him in a video. This is a perfect example of why prosecutors are sometimes suspicious of eye witness accounts. The human mind is a amazing and interesting subject.

 

Because every good conspiracy needs a boogyman to complete the story. Any time you hear "entrenched bureaucrats" or "unelected volunteer" you are hearing someone develop the boogyman to accompany their conspiracy theory that translates into human talk as "I lost an election and now I am looking for blame."

The same people that say I think I am "the smartest guy in the room" also attribute some type of Jedi mind control to me where I get the elected reps and the entire pilot group to vote against their interests for my supposed nefarious motives. As you said, the reps are more than capable of making their own decisions, it's extremely insulting to think that they would so easily be swayed to vote one way or the other. In essence, they are asserting that the Delta pilots can't even vote for their own reps, because the reps they choose are so easily manipulated. In reality, I am just another pilot that tried his best, succeeded sometimes, and failed often. The only difference is that when I failed I accepted my own responsibility and tried to learn from it. I did not try to find some conspiracy or boogyman to blame my failures on.

Speaking of motives, these people cannot come up with a logical reason why I and others would try to sabotage the contract. I get the same pay rates as every other Delta pilot, work under the same rules as every other Delta pilot, I am not independently wealthy, and I work this job to support my family just like everyone else here. Why on Earth would I not want to make our contract the best possible? What is the motivation here?

As far as Jedi mind control, if after reading this post you find a transfer of half your mid month paycheck to my bank account, don't question it, just accept it.

 

Heard you guys had an impressive show 18C in CLT today. Engine failure right at rotation. Superb job by those who witnessed it. Well done guys!

 

I am...


Not quite right....

DAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $255.28 (DAL PWA p.3-9)
UAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $262.38 (UPA p.29)
AAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $221.63* (AMR-APA Agreement p.3-7)
AAL 2016 A330 12 yr CA: $226.06* (AMR-APA Agreement p.3-8)

*AMR-APA Agreement Supplement A (an LOA) specifies that AA will negotiate an "Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment" to take effect as of Jan. 1 2016. It's a weighted average of UAL and DAL rates.
As of Jan. 1, 2017 (21 months into DAL negotiations) the AA 330 pay rate will be approximately: $266.82

AA has no PS, in 2017 the effective DAL A330 rate with a 10% PS payout will be $280.81. That is still $14.00 more than AA.

Agreed with all of the above. Both pilot groups have leverage in the line v. PBS talks. If they can get the rules that keep trip touching and carry out intact, PBS is definitely the way to go, but the whole point of PBS for the company is to eliminate the carryout and vacation conflict!

Fred will only start moving when the freight stops moving... Enjoy your summer to the FDX friends!

DAL pilots will benefit greatly if SWA can make improvements (I doubt it), and FDX won't survive peak this year without a new deal, so they will hopefully provide a ladder step up, since our present 777/757 paytables will exceed FDX in 2015.
I don't know about that first part, but we need every pilot at Delta to do that second part when we decide how to improve our contract. It's all business, he "ain't gonna make it rain $$$" on the pilot group without a real good reason.

 

Doesn't it compare our pay, work rules, etc. to those of pilots at other carriers today? What would you adjust for inflation?