Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-18-2014, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Because I want more money and a better quality of life.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
His plan will yield zero for both.
How did this industry ever make gains before the advent of you surrender first guys.
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07-18-2014, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Will you acknowledge that we already have restored and even improved upon many, many work rules? In fact our work rules now are far better than they were in C2K. (Unless that is you liked the era where reserves could fly a 2-day trip that paid as little as 4 hours for a trip that paid a regular pilot 10.30, and you liked it that the company and not the pilot, scheduled your CQ sims, and where every vacation started on Sunday, because by golly that's how we always did it. I could go on but you get the idea).
07-18-2014, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
When you look at the 2013 pilot cost numbers they don't help us a bit.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not one other airline has stepped up since 2002 and done anything.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Asking for a minimum of 20% up front would end talks at that point. Management will simply ride the process. It will be a long and bumpy ride for us and we won't be allowed off the wagon until the NMB views us as being reasonable.
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07-18-2014, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Interesting. But she's supposed to be a trained TV newswoman, you aren't. Maybe she isn't ditzy, just bad at doing her job. It was damn funny, though, how she screwed up by continuing the conversation to gain more clarity on the fart he witnessed. 
She was going to get to the bottom of that fake news story...very determined lady!
She was going to get to the bottom of that fake news story...very determined lady!I'm pretty sure Krystal Ball ran for Congress as a Democrat a while back. She's an accountant had some pretty conservative positions on some of the issues.
Both networks employ political pundits disguised as news anchors. It's the American way of life nowadays. Don't take it personal.
I might not be a trained newsperson, but I am trained not to jump the gun and, if appropriate, before jumping to a conclusion, to always ask the next question.
Sure, sometimes when you do that, it looks like you are a ditz. But, most of the time, it will turn out you were right to do so.
07-18-2014, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Both sides in a negotiation have constituents to satisfy, so they are almost forced to open with extreme positions and perform a choreographed dance toward an agreement. Attempting to be "reasonable" by opening with something closer to the middle ground simply changes the location of the middle ground.
But this new ALPA has a new vision. It's a vision based on considering management to be valued partners and negotiate based on what's best for the partnership. It is only through this new vision where the company's success will undoubtedly trickle down to pilot group in a sustained manner instead of the boom-bust cycle. That's our new reality.
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07-18-2014, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I suspect with stock options there raises are a order of magnitude higher then your stating. However it's irrelevant to our pay.
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07-18-2014, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Absolutely 100% correct.
But this new ALPA has a new vision. It's a vision based on considering management to be valued partners and negotiate based on what's best for the partnership. It is only through this new vision where the company's success will undoubtedly trickle down to pilot group in a sustained manner instead of the boom-bust cycle. That's our new reality.
Carl
But this new ALPA has a new vision. It's a vision based on considering management to be valued partners and negotiate based on what's best for the partnership. It is only through this new vision where the company's success will undoubtedly trickle down to pilot group in a sustained manner instead of the boom-bust cycle. That's our new reality.
Carl
We got paid like management; in addition to our base pay, we too got stock options, performance bonuses (at more than $25!) a fully funded retirement plan...oh, and a zero cost, zero deductible medical plan, for life, oh, and PS passes...for life.
I just hope Ed is -finally- able to sleep at night. Why is that tool still working here?
For the NW guys, he's the only DL South mgt douche to keep his job, after testifying to the BK judge that he couldn't sleep at night, worrying that Delta wouldn't survive unless he ass-raped us.
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07-18-2014, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NERD
My question is this. How do we get rid of the long term bureaucrats? (Btw we had a lot of powerful behind the scenes guys at Nwalpa too) Each LEC has a election every (3?) years, so there is a way for the line pilot to affect turnover. How do we, the line pilots help in the cleansing/turnover of the committee positions?
Originally Posted by NERD
It may be time for alpha, buzz and the gang to take a break and go fly. Whether any of us agree with their positions, we all should thank them for their time and wish them good luck.
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07-18-2014, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
Time out, lets compare apples to apples. We are just comparing hourly book rates. It is complete BS to start throwing some Profit Sharing in to our book rates to make them look inflated.
Profit sharing may be part of our compensation, but it is not part of our hourly rates, and is not guaranteed to be anything.
Profit sharing may be part of our compensation, but it is not part of our hourly rates, and is not guaranteed to be anything.
The +PS was separately shown after the straight calculation, just to show a more complete "big picture view" of what is working for a pilot in Section 3. I find it less than accurate to not factor in the primary ways of accruing income in the PWA, especially when it is a direct add-on in percentage points to the pay hours received for a year of employment.
It would have been better "forum decorum" to post that separately I suppose. The intent was to dispel the "$40/hr more" fallacy. I hope that part was demonstrated clearly.
07-18-2014, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Actually, I never called anyone too stupid or lazy or weak.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
My point was that we had a full pilot vote. The only way you can call that non-democratic is if you believe that the pilots are too stupid or lazy or weak to make a rational decision.
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