alfaromeo

Sorry to inject facts into your diatribe, but I have been flying the line for years now. I spend half my time on reserve (voluntarily) and half regular line. Here is a homework assignment for you. Find out the committee chairman list from two years ago and then look today. How many are the same? There are about 5 or so out of 30+. Do you guys just not care if you tell the truth, or do you just assume no one will check.

newKnow

GS,

This whole thing started because I asked what she did that was wrong.

Once again, do you notice how you can't articulate anything specific?

All you can say is, she screwed up. But, how? Because she asked the guy another question? Ok. But, I ask second and third questions all the time, just to make sure I really know where people are coming from. Everyone should do that. Especially, in an interview about an airplane that was shot down. Who would be prepared for a crackpot to make a comment about Howard Stern then? I wouldn't. To fault her for that is kind of dumb.

I'll even go out on a limb and say you know it's dumb. Why? Because you are attacking everything except your argument that she is a ditzy anchor.

First, it was the network. (MSNBC)
Next, it was the occupants of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Then, it was me and what you call my so called defense of anything liberal/wacko.
Finally, it's "that dude" Rachael Maddow.

All funny, but none are responsive to my question -- indicative of someone who can't answer it.

You see, you are turning something that is non-political into something political. I'm not even discussing anything Liberal, or wacko. I merely asked what she did that was so wrong and "she" could have been Megyn Kelly, Gretta Van Susteren, Candy Crowley, or Mother Teresa.

If someone had attacked them for doing what Krystal Ball did, I would have asked the same question.

This is about interacting with other people and not jumping the gun. It's not partisan. It's not political. So, can we give that aspect of the discussion a rest? Or, do you need it?

Starcheck102

How are unelected committee guys "powerful?" They only vote when they elect reps or during MEMRAT, the same as everyone else. Is there a Rasputin running around that I don't know about?

How do they influence the MEC administration, let alone the MEC?

Help us out by narrowing it down. Go to the DAL MEC website, download the FPL report, and highlight the people you want to send back to the line.

Then you can have a proper witch hunt.

Alan Shore

Indeed. I'm looking forward to seeing the Contract Comparison that's supposed to be out soon to see how the rest of our contract compares with theirs.

Fly4hire

We are not talking about the vote, but how the measure ended up on the ballot. So the ends justify the means? 62/38 +/- is a few points is just about the basis by which most contracts have passed recently and has zip to do with Presidential elections, and is apx the same percentage contentious BK contracts passed by.

Questioning of the how of what we end up to vote on is not tearing the organization apart. Voting democratically on a weak product doesn't make it strong or change that we could do better. The idea is to have a superior product to vote on that reflects the achievable desires of the pilots and the direction of the status Reps. Many voted for the TA because they did not have the confidence that the MEC had enough fight after all the proclaimed "we'll get less if we go back" to go back and get more. Hardly a mandate.

How about getting a kick-ass TA the pilots can really get behind?

Purple Drank

Will it account for inflation/cost of living increases?

If not, it's basically expensive toilet paper. Paid for by us.

But it will look slick.

shiznit

Alfa has spent more time working to put more money in Delta Pilots' pockets and increase Delta Pilots' time off to spend with families than anyone else here.

Assigning motive to the efforts of someone you've never met is pretty disgusting. Your dislike of his perspective and position does not detract from actual results he's helped produce. In fact, your unwillingness to do anything other than lob nonsense from a keyboard versus actually step up and do some work is quite an "unmasking of your benefit" to the pilot group.

For example: fly4hire may have a different perspective than alfa, but he actually put his time and energy into helping his fellow pilots' lives also. I respect that effort, its a thankless and time consuming job.

Actions speak much louder than words, so PD I guess that makes you well, a nothing. Enjoy the ignore list.

Thank you alfa, fly4hire, ACL, and the others of APC who post or lurk that have stepped forward to help their fellow pilots. I encourage the rest of the members of this forum to follow their lead and participate when called upon.

Purple Drank

yes, we get it. And he's parlayed that "selfless" service into a highly lucrative consulting gig for himself while treating Delta line pilots like village idiots.

not surprising that one of Moak's disciples jumps to the defense of another. bravo.

GunshipGuy

I articulated the answer in an earlier reply since it wasn't obvious to you--but, again, yes, she asked another question after she got pranked with the line that included something like "It got shot down by a fart from Howard Stern's arse." You asking another question of someone in the hallway is understandable, but this ditzy TV lady for MSNBC is on national TV. What did she do wrong? Again, she asked more questions. It's so obvious what she did wrong it begs the question--why are you so forgiving of her? Had she been on Fox you'd be laughing at how dumb she was to keep the conversation going. I would be too, but for some reason since it's on that WH propaganda channel you're making excuses. I just find your reaction somewhat entertaining and interesting because it's an example of how people's biases affect their reactions. What did she have to do before it got to the point you'd find her performance embarrassing? Did she have to go the point of asking, "Do you have any idea how much flatus was expelled from Mr. Stern's anus, and at what speeds it reached to have such a devastating effect on the 747?" As for everything else you said, blah blah blah...I told you what she did wrong and the rest of what I wrote related to my trying to understand the reaction of an American male presumably of average or higher intelligence who for some reason fails to see what is before him in a video. This is a perfect example of why prosecutors are sometimes suspicious of eye witness accounts. The human mind is a amazing and interesting subject.

alfaromeo

Because every good conspiracy needs a boogyman to complete the story. Any time you hear "entrenched bureaucrats" or "unelected volunteer" you are hearing someone develop the boogyman to accompany their conspiracy theory that translates into human talk as "I lost an election and now I am looking for blame."

The same people that say I think I am "the smartest guy in the room" also attribute some type of Jedi mind control to me where I get the elected reps and the entire pilot group to vote against their interests for my supposed nefarious motives. As you said, the reps are more than capable of making their own decisions, it's extremely insulting to think that they would so easily be swayed to vote one way or the other. In essence, they are asserting that the Delta pilots can't even vote for their own reps, because the reps they choose are so easily manipulated. In reality, I am just another pilot that tried his best, succeeded sometimes, and failed often. The only difference is that when I failed I accepted my own responsibility and tried to learn from it. I did not try to find some conspiracy or boogyman to blame my failures on.

Speaking of motives, these people cannot come up with a logical reason why I and others would try to sabotage the contract. I get the same pay rates as every other Delta pilot, work under the same rules as every other Delta pilot, I am not independently wealthy, and I work this job to support my family just like everyone else here. Why on Earth would I not want to make our contract the best possible? What is the motivation here?

As far as Jedi mind control, if after reading this post you find a transfer of half your mid month paycheck to my bank account, don't question it, just accept it.