Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-18-2014, 04:13 AM
Straight QOL, homie
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
And so here we get the essence of the forum/webboard mentality: the pilots are just not capable of making their own decisions so the forum guys have to make it for them. Thank god we have you here to decide for us.
07-18-2014, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Feeling a bit condescending-y tonight, eh?
I thought the deal was sub par to where it needed to be. I set standards to where I felt it should be, and it came in below in every area. It was not an emotional vote for me.
Just under half agreed with me and just over half felt it was good enough.
How's that?
I thought the deal was sub par to where it needed to be. I set standards to where I felt it should be, and it came in below in every area. It was not an emotional vote for me.
Just under half agreed with me and just over half felt it was good enough.
How's that?
2 times 37 is 62? Good math, alfa!
Look, I don't deny you the right to vote the way you did. You pay your dues and you get your vote. The problem is that the majority of pilots disagreed and now the forum crowd says it is not democratic. In other words, I get my vote, but your vote doesn't count because you voted differently from me. That is my problem. Can't people just say, "I lost the vote" and then move on instead of creating these phony conspiracies and lame plots about how democracy was thwarted.
Each pilot got to review the deal completely. They made their votes. Your vote counted just as much as mine did. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, move on. Claiming the rules were rigged afterwards doesn't do anyone any good. The rules were set by democratic vote in the first place. Apparently that's not good enough for some who lost the vote.
07-18-2014, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Be careful that your reroute pay doesn't disappear after the trip is "closed" on your time card. There's a supervisor in scheduling who audits reroute pay and will take it off your time card if he doesn't think your situation met the criteria.
As I understand it, our contract basically says that reroute pay doesn't apply if the situation is beyond the control of the company. Most of the time, they are rerouting you due to weather, mechanical, etc., which are both things that are beyond the control of the company. However, Jim in scheduling (the supervisor who does the audit) seems to use the criteria that, if they could have gotten you back to base another way (i.e. deadhead) then you qualify for reroute pay. I've had good success calling him when my reroute pay magically disappeared from my time card and, after pleading my case (which was basically that they COULD have gotten me home if they really wanted to), he put it back on.
Anyway, if that rotation is still showing "open" on your time card, the reroute pay could still disappear. If it shows "closed" and the reroute pay is still there, then you're golden.
Hope that helps.
As I understand it, our contract basically says that reroute pay doesn't apply if the situation is beyond the control of the company. Most of the time, they are rerouting you due to weather, mechanical, etc., which are both things that are beyond the control of the company. However, Jim in scheduling (the supervisor who does the audit) seems to use the criteria that, if they could have gotten you back to base another way (i.e. deadhead) then you qualify for reroute pay. I've had good success calling him when my reroute pay magically disappeared from my time card and, after pleading my case (which was basically that they COULD have gotten me home if they really wanted to), he put it back on.
Anyway, if that rotation is still showing "open" on your time card, the reroute pay could still disappear. If it shows "closed" and the reroute pay is still there, then you're golden.
Hope that helps.
07-18-2014, 04:27 AM
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When do we announce our 51 A330 order?
07-18-2014, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Jim in scheduling (the supervisor who does the audit) seems to use the criteria that, if they could have gotten you back to base another way (i.e. deadhead) then you qualify for reroute pay.
07-18-2014, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I think you might be judging her for a mistake that someone else made (the network, the producers, the screeners, etc.). Or, is it her job to screen her guests, too? I think she gave him the benefit of the doubt, at first. So, I'm not sure of what she was supposed to do?
I look forward to that beer, Buzz. The last 5 years have been better than the previous 8, so I have a lot of ammunition.
I look forward to that beer, Buzz. The last 5 years have been better than the previous 8, so I have a lot of ammunition.
07-18-2014, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
And so here we get the essence of the forum/webboard mentality: the pilots are just not capable of making their own decisions so the forum guys have to make it for them. Thank god we have you here to decide for us.
Just a direct answer.
What is your minimum hourly increase for C2015 date of signing?
Mine is 20%. Plus historic improvements in scope, work rules, medical and pension. This will get my yes vote.
Perhaps 20% is too low, but given those who are inside and work for management, i think its the best we can hope for.
Jerry
07-18-2014, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Alpha
Just a direct answer.
What is your minimum hourly increase for C2015 date of signing?
Mine is 20%. Plus historic improvements in scope, work rules, medical and pension. This will get my yes vote.
Perhaps 20% is too low, but given those who are inside and work for management, i think its the best we can hope for.
Jerry
Just a direct answer.
What is your minimum hourly increase for C2015 date of signing?
Mine is 20%. Plus historic improvements in scope, work rules, medical and pension. This will get my yes vote.
Perhaps 20% is too low, but given those who are inside and work for management, i think its the best we can hope for.
Jerry
07-18-2014, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Alpha
Just a direct answer.
What is your minimum hourly increase for C2015 date of signing?
Mine is 20%. Plus historic improvements in scope, work rules, medical and pension. This will get my yes vote.
Perhaps 20% is too low, but given those who are inside and work for management, i think its the best we can hope for.
Jerry
Just a direct answer.
What is your minimum hourly increase for C2015 date of signing?
Mine is 20%. Plus historic improvements in scope, work rules, medical and pension. This will get my yes vote.
Perhaps 20% is too low, but given those who are inside and work for management, i think its the best we can hope for.
Jerry
07-18-2014, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I love the raise! What is your plan when management says not a chance let's meet again in 6 months?
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