Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-20-2014 | 01:35 PM
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05-20-2014 | 02:22 PM
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At the mentioned price what's the break even in years of operation on fuel costs ? That's about an 80% saving on the cost of a large WB. That buys an awful lot of gas. I could see these as a bridge WB for lift now until RFP acft show up in force. RA made money operating the DC9 long past any other carrier. Paid for aircraft give you a lot of flexibility.
But, we are on the leading edge here at APC L&G
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05-20-2014 | 02:27 PM
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Actually in a way, yes. If they don't have anything for you by noon on your last day, you can ask to be released. If the next day is a golden day which it is 2 or 3 times a month anyway, its an automatic approval.
Perhaps there is room in there to find bargaining credits to apply to more deserving local pilots though. I'd actually almost second that resolution just to see it play out.
Since your active contempt for commuters is clouding your creative math in counting days off, let's just go nuts with it, shall we:
We have very, very few reports at 1am. Or 2am. Or 3 am. Or 4am. So the vast majority of reserves and line holders always start off with a quarter day off almost every day. With 4 blocks of work per month, that's an extra day off! I wonder if the company knows this? If we agree with this interpretation, we can reduce min days off by one for almost every pilot and still be in compliance with the contract! Don't want those pesky pilots getting free days off now, do we?
Then, since most release times occur at or before 8PM, that's another quarter day off per trip/reserve period. So we can reduce days off by 2 for most pilots. In fact, let's take every hour prior to report on day one, and every hour after release on the last day, and add up those total hours then divide that by 24 and that is the amount of extra work days we owe the company.
You still serious about this Shirley?
Perhaps there is room in there to find bargaining credits to apply to more deserving local pilots though. I'd actually almost second that resolution just to see it play out.
Since your active contempt for commuters is clouding your creative math in counting days off, let's just go nuts with it, shall we:
We have very, very few reports at 1am. Or 2am. Or 3 am. Or 4am. So the vast majority of reserves and line holders always start off with a quarter day off almost every day. With 4 blocks of work per month, that's an extra day off! I wonder if the company knows this? If we agree with this interpretation, we can reduce min days off by one for almost every pilot and still be in compliance with the contract! Don't want those pesky pilots getting free days off now, do we?
Then, since most release times occur at or before 8PM, that's another quarter day off per trip/reserve period. So we can reduce days off by 2 for most pilots. In fact, let's take every hour prior to report on day one, and every hour after release on the last day, and add up those total hours then divide that by 24 and that is the amount of extra work days we owe the company.
You still serious about this Shirley?
05-20-2014 | 02:32 PM
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At the mentioned price what's the break even in years of operation on fuel costs ? That's about an 80% saving on the cost of a large WB. That buys an awful lot of gas. I could see these as a bridge WB for lift now until RFP acft show up in force. RA made money operating the DC9 long past any other carrier. Paid for aircraft give you a lot of flexibility.
05-20-2014 | 02:34 PM
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05-20-2014 | 02:40 PM
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I am struggling to see the problem. I know that greenslips are pay no credit. Are greenslips evil in that they distort our productivity numbers? You are a valued contributor to this forum so I thank you for your postings. Would you consider posting an example with numbers that would illuminate further your concerns?
05-20-2014 | 03:03 PM
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I am struggling to see the problem. I know that greenslips are pay no credit. Are greenslips evil in that they distort our productivity numbers? You are a valued contributor to this forum so I thank you for your postings. Would you consider posting an example with numbers that would illuminate further your concerns?
It costs jobs and it eliminates family and leisure time.
Every time we allow more flying for pay and no credit it just continues our steady march toward no limits at all on the number of hours people can fly in a month.
This TA apparently is going to go almost all the way.
Reference Donatelli's bullet point:
· Adopts FAR FDP limits for actual operations.
That would seem to suggest that we've pretty much given up on any notion of limiting the amount of flying an individual pilot can perform in a month. If its legal under the FAR FDP limit then we can do it. No more contractual limits.
I think that's a horrible philosophy for our union to adopt. I don't want to work 99 hours. I want time off as well as more money. I would much rather have an old fashioned "cap" and then progress to the next higher paying seat that much faster to make my money.
But I'm apparently in the minority.
If every widebody captain was capped at 75 hours just think how many more widebody captains we would need. And so on down the list.
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05-20-2014 | 03:05 PM
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Another post with forum histeria without any real thought. As already discussed it requires 3 pilots verses two for each flight on a transcon turn. There has been nothing to stop any airline from flying these as a augmented turn for at least the last 30 years. No airline does them because it makes no sense. Even JetBlue who really wants transcon turns never considered augmenting them.
One other consideration. If Delta did decided to fly transcon turns if your not in the top 20 percent in category don't plan on seeing one. A SFO turn would pay around 12:30. Fly 6 a month and you will have 75 hours. Two three day groupings would look pretty nice as a monthly schedule! Not going to happen however, just to costly for the company
One other consideration. If Delta did decided to fly transcon turns if your not in the top 20 percent in category don't plan on seeing one. A SFO turn would pay around 12:30. Fly 6 a month and you will have 75 hours. Two three day groupings would look pretty nice as a monthly schedule! Not going to happen however, just to costly for the company
I would have made he same observation, and it wouldn't have been a dumb post, just uneducated.
05-20-2014 | 03:10 PM
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05-20-2014 | 03:13 PM
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Gloop... We never had a 1200 first day.... It was part of the same bullsh!& SD memo that we all agreed was invalid. We can't claim that "we had a 1200 first day" unless we also want to claim that the SD reserve acknowledgement is also valid. I do NOT believe ANY part of that memo to be valid, so therefore I cannot logic into any piece of it.
WRT the 13 callout.... A rep explained to me that it will be handled just like the present day WS system. If you get a WS greater than 12:00 from report, it is yours, whether you acknowledge it or not, reserve will work the same way...
If you're on reserve and want to go to bed at 9pm... Check DBMS at 2100. Wake up as late as 0700 (for a 10:00 sleep) and check DBMS, you could have a show NO earlier than 1000.
We have a "9:00" leash under the present PWA (memo notwithstanding); this will make it a "10:00" leash.
I see that as an improvement.
WRT the 13 callout.... A rep explained to me that it will be handled just like the present day WS system. If you get a WS greater than 12:00 from report, it is yours, whether you acknowledge it or not, reserve will work the same way...
If you're on reserve and want to go to bed at 9pm... Check DBMS at 2100. Wake up as late as 0700 (for a 10:00 sleep) and check DBMS, you could have a show NO earlier than 1000.
We have a "9:00" leash under the present PWA (memo notwithstanding); this will make it a "10:00" leash.
I see that as an improvement.
Yes this does add one hour, but at the price of giving up the 3 hour notification "hammer" which the company desperately needed an out from. We sold a ton of leverage and a slam dunk grievance win for one hour, when by the company's own admission they could cover the vast majority of long call trips with 16 hours notification.
In any case, how exactly without a 3 hour leash do you get prospective rest 10 hours prior without having the requirement to be notified at least 10 hours prior?
If you are required to be notified 10 hours prior, that is a rolling 3 hour leash.
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