Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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I guess... Do we really want this? They will cost a lot to get rid of someday and well likely get 5:15 ADG C2015 anyways. Does UAL, SWA and UAL have these? If not are we doing to the industry what AA B-scale started 25 years ago?
Sink R8 had some really good posts on the topic. VPR Matrix makes a good point. Extrapolating from what he wrote ...
Assuming split duty overnights are coming ....
Then we need a method in PBS to ensure pure Split Duty Overnights are awarded, as bid. We do not want unstacking for coverage to mix these with other types of parings (due to rest and pay issues) We need a change to the software that makes pilots who bid pure CDO lines of time immune from coverage awards.
This compromise might turn a lot of no voters to yes voters. It might also not cost the Company anything.
Feedback?
Assuming split duty overnights are coming ....
Then we need a method in PBS to ensure pure Split Duty Overnights are awarded, as bid. We do not want unstacking for coverage to mix these with other types of parings (due to rest and pay issues) We need a change to the software that makes pilots who bid pure CDO lines of time immune from coverage awards.
This compromise might turn a lot of no voters to yes voters. It might also not cost the Company anything.
Feedback?
Also, I love to pickup those whiteslip/greenslip one leg out, layover, one leg back trips that pay 10:30 for as little as two hours of flying for example. No doubt the company hates paying these same day coverage rotations that are probably broken trips. Happens all the time. Even if one leg is a deadhead it pays 9:00.
If true, then this new SDP ability gives the company a cheap way to cover broken trips and solves their 30 hour layover problem at the same time. For what, 5:15? I hope it's worth it because I'm not sure it is.
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Even then, nothing is binding. I recall about 5 years you guys got a resolution passed in the majority of bases directing the MEC to investigate and report back on the feasibility of recapturing 76 seat scope. The MEC summarily shelved it. Never even saw a vote. Funny that now all of a sudden a resolution from one council is being trotted out as the irrevocable will of the pilot group.
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CDOs aside (and I want nothing to do with them) I see no reason why we have negotiated now at all. From a Delta pilot's perspective, what is wrong with the current status quo? Things are quite favorable for us at the moment with unprecedented greenslip opportunities, reserves not starting day one until noon etc..
Despite our increased expense and multiple IROPS Delta still posted a record q1 profit. I see no need to give the company collateral now with section 6 so close.
Despite our increased expense and multiple IROPS Delta still posted a record q1 profit. I see no need to give the company collateral now with section 6 so close.
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Immune from coverage awards? Negative ghostrider. That means someone senior has to cover the unstack trip. Junior pilots "immune" from forced fly trips means that unstacking reaches further up the list affecting more senior pilots. Caution proposing software changes that you don't know all the affects of.
Also, I love to pickup those whiteslip/greenslip one leg out, layover, one leg back trips that pay 10:30 for as little as two hours of flying for example. No doubt the company hates paying these same day coverage rotations that are probably broken trips. Happens all the time. Even if one leg is a deadhead it pays 9:00.
If true, then this new SDP ability gives the company a cheap way to cover broken trips and solves their 30 hour layover problem at the same time. For what, 5:15? I hope it's worth it because I'm not sure it is.
Also, I love to pickup those whiteslip/greenslip one leg out, layover, one leg back trips that pay 10:30 for as little as two hours of flying for example. No doubt the company hates paying these same day coverage rotations that are probably broken trips. Happens all the time. Even if one leg is a deadhead it pays 9:00.
If true, then this new SDP ability gives the company a cheap way to cover broken trips and solves their 30 hour layover problem at the same time. For what, 5:15? I hope it's worth it because I'm not sure it is.
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CDOs aside (and I want nothing to do with them) I see no reason why we have negotiated now at all. From a Delta pilot's perspective, what is wrong with the current status quo? Things are quite favorable for us at the moment with unprecedented greenslip opportunities, reserves not starting day one until noon etc..
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The small number of guys wanting real productive trips (so they can pick up more real productive trips) getting a resolution through makes perfect sense to me. Lots of things in a representation type of body are driven by very vocal and angry minorities. When the rest of us wake up to what has happened our choices are limited. Our choice today is to text your rep for memrat or a delay to get more member input.......in other words, we become the angry vocal body.
The CODs (I think we need to call them what they are going to be called - SDP) don't effect me and I'll vote with you guys if given a chance, but here is why they strike me as "odd" and not for us. No, I don't think they are anymore unsafe that a lot of the other crazy back of the clock stuff we do......But........we all worked hard to get to "the majors". I like Delta (better than NWA) because it's a classier act. The company wants the efficiencies that NWA or RJ world has as we pick up more and more of the old RJ type flying, fair enough........but no. That's not who we are, we're older and have paid our dues.
At the majors, there's a dress code (name the movie reference for a beer - think baseball)
The CODs (I think we need to call them what they are going to be called - SDP) don't effect me and I'll vote with you guys if given a chance, but here is why they strike me as "odd" and not for us. No, I don't think they are anymore unsafe that a lot of the other crazy back of the clock stuff we do......But........we all worked hard to get to "the majors". I like Delta (better than NWA) because it's a classier act. The company wants the efficiencies that NWA or RJ world has as we pick up more and more of the old RJ type flying, fair enough........but no. That's not who we are, we're older and have paid our dues.
At the majors, there's a dress code (name the movie reference for a beer - think baseball)
Why ALPA keeps giving away huge concessions for peanuts is beyond me. Just when I think I can't hate that club any more they drop the bar.
I am really sad about this TA and what it tells us about what they will pull on Concession 2015.
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On a slightly different topic ... assuming our Reps directed SDO negotiations, why was this not something we were talking about before now?
I think a lot of the "HE:: NO" reaction is because of the suprise factor. Having our reps under non disclosure agreements sometimes stymies communications. Having modelling data (say current schedules have 7:50 breaks for ATL to CHA, AVL, JAX, SAV, HSV, BHM for example) might alleviate concerns that the typical trip is going to be 6 hour break, reduced to 3 when a cloud passes by.
It would not surprise me to see the MEC postpone action on this until more communication takes place.
Because the unknown is only at one end on the all nighters.... the departure of the first (and only) flight. You can prepare for that. The only true way to prepare for the SDPs is to PLAN on staying up all night, because you do not know if it will work as "scheduled". Where's the safety in that? I for one can't do that any more. I become useless around 3am if I am up all night. Now throw weather, IROPS and other stuff in that mix, and it is a bad recipe. This is NOTHING like flying to SA.
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