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Old 05-30-2014 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Buy the C-series, bring the flying back to mainline, and be done with it..

Unfortunately, it will be some time in the "foreseeable future" before we can unravel outsourcing..
"We" don't buy airplanes. Management does. Their problem. All we do is determine the cost of our services to fly them. Outsourcing will unravel itself. Just keep watching and enjoy the show.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
"We" don't buy airplanes. Management does. Their problem. All we do is determine the cost of our services to fly them. Outsourcing will unravel itself. Just keep watching and enjoy the show.
Given what is coming at Pinnacle, that will be another failure to be able to staff that airline... despite a guaranteed job at DL. It is definitely unraveling, but we need to help. The pendulum will swing the other direction eventually, and things need to be shored up while the cost to do so is cheap.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Given what is coming at Pinnacle, that will be another failure to be able to staff that airline... despite a guaranteed job at DL. It is definitely unraveling, but we need to help. The pendulum will swing the other direction eventually, and things need to be shored up while the cost to do so is cheap.
OK, I'll play, what can we do to help?

Sorry, responded before the edit... I definitely don't agree. The time has come and gone where any significant number of pilots will go deeply into debt for a $20k/year job. I think all we need to do is sit back and wait for the company's panic to fix the problem. Then we have leverage. Lots and lots of leverage.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK, I'll play, what can we do to help?
We should be contractually putting sunsets on the outsourcing agreements.... i.e. as each ASA comes up for renewal, it can no longer be renewed. That is one of the most logical examples.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK, I'll play, what can we do to help?

Sorry, responded before the edit... I definitely don't agree. The time has come and gone where any significant number of pilots will go deeply into debt for a $20k/year job. I think all we need to do is sit back and wait for the company's panic to fix the problem. Then we have leverage. Lots and lots of leverage.
We're speaking past each other... The company will end up in a bad place and we need to be ready to take advantage of that and finally shove the camel out of the tent.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
We're speaking past each other... The company will end up in a bad place and we need to be ready to take advantage of that and finally shove the camel out of the tent.
I guess that's OK, but I don't want to pay anything for it.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I guess that's OK, but I don't want to pay anything for it.
That's quite short sighted. Why not shore something up when it is extremely cheap vs paying full price? If we don't take care of it now, the pendulum will swing back again the other direction and bite us again.
Old 05-30-2014 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's quite short sighted. Why not shore something up when it is extremely cheap vs paying full price? If we don't take care of it now, the pendulum will swing back again the other direction and bite us again.
I agree with Ts on this one. With the coming of the 1500 hour rule, I'm not so sure the pendulum is swinging any more.

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Old 05-30-2014 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I agree with Ts on this one. With the coming of the 1500 hour rule, I'm not so sure the pendulum is swinging any more.

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History shows otherwise. Outsourcing of the RJs had its biggest expansion when virtually no one (with some exceptions) could get a call from a regional with less than 1500TT and 300 multi-engine.
Old 05-30-2014 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's quite short sighted. Why not shore something up when it is extremely cheap vs paying full price? If we don't take care of it now, the pendulum will swing back again the other direction and bite us again.
Because how much you care about outsourcing is inversely proportional to your seniority.
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