Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-26-2014 | 02:14 PM
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I will get angry with the best of them when I see top/down nonsense that just happened which is obviously not supported by our group. The guys who seem to be more concerned with the politics of ALPA, protecting ALPA at all cost and defending an obvious lemon (CDOs), will draw me out of lurk status every time!
True unity happens when we have common goals. ALPA has its own from time to time and we have to keep their feet to the fire. The line pilots just did that and I am proud to be part of this group.
True unity happens when we have common goals. ALPA has its own from time to time and we have to keep their feet to the fire. The line pilots just did that and I am proud to be part of this group.
Can you consider:
- We were not in Section 6 negotiations with polling data and the kind of survey resources that ALPA fires up prior to the NMB process.
- The limited survey data and feedback supported what was negotiated
- The negotiators accomplished what they were directed to do
- When it was apparent an error had been made, your MEC acted very quickly to remedy the situation.
- The outcome was a gain for you and your pilot group.
You've falsely accused me, repeatedly. I will let it go. But, it is hoped you'll slow down and take another look at the service provided for you by your reps.
05-26-2014 | 02:29 PM
Da Hudge
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The thing is, these are not N/S issues. They are Delta issues.
Have I ever made a push on an irrelevant position which can not be changed, ever? What I am falsely accused of makes no sense; nor does it exist. Some of the best pilots here who I consider good friends are former NWA. I appreciate their help in the struggle to stop outsourcing. They've certainly added welcome voices to the debate.
With this current question several folks wrote that a C20 resolution was a good idea and deserves more discussion than it was given in this rush to judgement (not that we had time, there kinda had to be a rush under the circumstance). Others on our MEC agree. How is that hating on the North?
Would it make anyone feel better if I introduced a similar resolution in C44? Heck, last C44 meeting a MSP pilot chided us on another web board about not doing enough to pass a resolution in support of restoration for those who got PD's under the SD memo. Guess who and where his idea got passed 24 hours of his complaint? If you look at the facts a pretty good argument can be made that I advocate FOR North issues. Not that I've ever thought of any idea other than on it's merits. MSP is a Delta base, but if it matters, yeah resolutions other Councils have asked me to present or coordinate in C44 have actually done better than my own resolutions.
Carl makes up stuff all the time. Why does this stick? It is true that I don't care for the DPA. But according to the DP itself their effort has more support in my home town than anywhere else.
The most likely explanation is that over sensitive people are offended at absolutely nothing & Carl is exploiting them.
Have I ever made a push on an irrelevant position which can not be changed, ever? What I am falsely accused of makes no sense; nor does it exist. Some of the best pilots here who I consider good friends are former NWA. I appreciate their help in the struggle to stop outsourcing. They've certainly added welcome voices to the debate.
With this current question several folks wrote that a C20 resolution was a good idea and deserves more discussion than it was given in this rush to judgement (not that we had time, there kinda had to be a rush under the circumstance). Others on our MEC agree. How is that hating on the North?
Would it make anyone feel better if I introduced a similar resolution in C44? Heck, last C44 meeting a MSP pilot chided us on another web board about not doing enough to pass a resolution in support of restoration for those who got PD's under the SD memo. Guess who and where his idea got passed 24 hours of his complaint? If you look at the facts a pretty good argument can be made that I advocate FOR North issues. Not that I've ever thought of any idea other than on it's merits. MSP is a Delta base, but if it matters, yeah resolutions other Councils have asked me to present or coordinate in C44 have actually done better than my own resolutions.
Carl makes up stuff all the time. Why does this stick? It is true that I don't care for the DPA. But according to the DP itself their effort has more support in my home town than anywhere else.
The most likely explanation is that over sensitive people are offended at absolutely nothing & Carl is exploiting them.
05-26-2014 | 02:30 PM
Da Hudge
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05-26-2014 | 02:34 PM
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Bar,
Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?
Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).
Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?
Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).
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05-26-2014 | 02:40 PM
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Did anyone hear a rumor that DL might get 787's, put in 76 premium "suites" and have Compass start flying them? JFK-DXB to compete against Emirates. Part of an FAR 117 side letter....
05-26-2014 | 03:08 PM
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05-26-2014 | 03:08 PM
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05-26-2014 | 03:44 PM
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Well, the unity displayed on this board in the face of the CDO threat was nice while it lasted - all of 3 or 4 days. 
05-26-2014 | 03:45 PM
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Bar,
Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?
Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).
Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?
Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).
That having been stated, how can it possibly matter where the SDP concept came from? My understanding is that ALL of our reps provided direction to our NC. My understanding is when concerns arose that ALL reps redirected and our NC got an agreement under which Delta pilots got substantial gains.
Someone asked "where did this come from" and the resolution existed. Several on our MEC (outside of 20) thought SDPs were a good idea (and I am not against them). When the Council 20 resolution was posted some were offended ... and I still have no idea why anyone would find that offensive. None.
I found it odd that when the proper response was "great job" APC was wanting to recall other Council's reps ... I can not figure it out.
05-26-2014 | 03:53 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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Bar,
Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?
Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).
Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?
Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).
Are you saying that the NC went rogue or are you saying that the MEC provided the NC direction or are you saying the MEC was blindsided by SDPs or are you saying that the MEC is distancing itself from SDPs?
Anybody can say what they want, there is only one plausible explanation:
The MEC directed the NC to negotiate for SDPs in order to bring down the ratio of days worked vs hours flown.
Anyone who espouses anything different, IMO, is trying to cloud the issue. The 2010 resolution is irrelevant. Again IMO.
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