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Old 05-26-2014 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
And if I was not told that why would I have posted the above well before the news of CDO elimination came out?
What does that have to do with anything sailingfun? If two reps told you this wrong information, I'd like to know who they were. Because the reps (and you) were clearly wrong. It wasn't in the implementation date schedule of the original MOU.

If no reps told you this and you made it up, well...

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Old 05-26-2014 | 07:20 AM
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We had a factual debate.

Then Carl showed up.

Flight Info style food fight commenced.
Old 05-26-2014 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I am confused. Lately your posts have been very targeted at me, mostly for stuff which is the opposite of what was written. I will sign off and apologize for whatever you think I wrote that you found offensive.
This is what you just don't get Bar. Your disdain for NWA pilots is so palpable that it unintentionally leaks out in your posts. You think you're hiding it, but you're not. That's the divisive part. The merger is so far in the past, I barely think of it anymore...and I certainly don't think of us in terms of north/south anymore. It's ancient history. So it's not the opposite of what you've written, it's exactly what you've written.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl went after my friends unfairly. I take you are a Carl fan. That's fine.
And this is another attempt to diminish someone by linking them to someone or something else. I've never gotten a single PM from DAWGS so I have no idea if he's a "fan". But what the hell difference does that make? Pay attention to what people say...not who you think their a "fan" of.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The DPA intentionally draws themselves outside the circle of unity in ALPA. When they care to join in and participate, they are welcome. However, publishing inaccurate information is not helpful.
This is just another way of saying there should never be any other entity representing Delta pilots except ALPA. Never. Because any future new representing agency would be "drawing themselves outside the circle of unity in ALPA." That's fine that you hold that opinion, but it needs to be clear.

In fairness, you did take down your post that I and others quoted before you could take it down. Maybe you should wait a couple of hours to calm down between the process of thought and post.

My .02

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Old 05-26-2014 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We had a factual debate.

Then Carl showed up.

Flight Info style food fight commenced.
That's low Bar. It used to be a good site. This place could go there one day.
Old 05-26-2014 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We had a factual debate.

Then Carl showed up.

Flight Info style food fight commenced.
Really Bar, wait a couple of hours between thought and post. Then maybe you won't be so embarrassed by what you write.

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Old 05-26-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
What does that have to do with anything sailingfun? If two reps told you this wrong information, I'd like to know who they were. Because the reps (and you) were clearly wrong. It wasn't in the implementation date schedule of the original MOU.

If no reps told you this and you made it up, well...

Carl
Have you asked your reps Carl?
Old 05-26-2014 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
This is just another way of saying there should never be any other entity representing Delta pilots except ALPA. Never. Because any future new representing agency would be "drawing themselves outside the circle of unity in ALPA." That's fine that you hold that opinion, but it needs to be clear.

Carl
How can it not be clear?

DPA supporters have been begged to get involved in the process. Mostly they have refused this invitation. Rather than to participate, some have followed their leadership into representational irrelevance followed by criticism and outrage that the process they refused has failed to consider their opinion.

Clearly, one can not have it both ways. If you have an idea how we as a pilot group and association can function while actively undermining our representatives I am all ears. My opinion is that shooting your rep in the back weakens his back bone.

How does after the fact criticism (which is mostly untrue) help us? How does waiting and hoping the ship sinks help the passengers?

If you want to mutiny, please just do it already. I support your legal right to a vote. This has now drug on for four plus years. Otherwise if you don't like the direction we are sailing in there is plenty of opportunities on the bridge and in the engine room.
Old 05-26-2014 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
IF that's true, it's a stunning display of incompetence by our side. Stunning. Lack of communication led to the pilots revolting, leading to our side begging management to save them, leading to management feeling they had the hammer to take back what they previously agreed to. Did we really just throw away the differential of 5:15 ADG between June 1 and November?

If true, words absolutely fail me.

Carl

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Old 05-26-2014 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Have you asked your reps Carl?
I haven't yet as I have wanted to respect their family time over the Memorial Day long weekend.

Carl
Old 05-26-2014 | 08:13 AM
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BB,

Two wrongs don't make a right. Your friend is a big boy and knew he would face attacks both legit and frivolous when he ran. I have disagreed with his stance on a number of issues and have hashed it out via text, email, phone calls and FB messenger. He doesn't need, nor IMHO wants you being his protector. On another note, what is your fetish with constantly knocking NWA and it's former employees? You barely had 9 months at Delta prior to the merger announcement.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
How can it not be clear?

DPA supporters have been begged to get involved in the process. Mostly they have refused this invitation. Rather than to [PHP][/PHP]participate, some have followed their leadership into representational irrelevance followed by criticism and outrage that the process they refused has failed to consider their opinion.

Clearly, one can not have it both ways. If you have an idea how we as a pilot group and association can function while actively undermining our representatives I am all ears. My opinion is that shooting your rep in the back weakens his back bone.

How does after the fact criticism (which is mostly untrue) help us? How does waiting and hoping the ship sinks help the passengers?

If you want to mutiny, please just do it already. I support your legal right to a vote. This has now drug on for four plus years. Otherwise if you don't like the direction we are sailing in there is plenty of opportunities on the bridge and in the engine room.
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