Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-07-2014, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by index
Nothing has changed. Sailing is still making the same time value of money argument.
He says RA (our CEO who owns more than $100 million in DAL stock/options) won't give us 12.8% upfront (forget the fact that we're 20% behind 2004 pay rates, not including inflation). As if a 12.8% is some pie in the sky figure---it still doesn't get us where we were a decade ago, or, by the time sailing says this will play out, 15 years later!
Sailing is basically saying your choice is to either "hold out" for 3+ years or---take the 3/3/3/3 and be happy.
He says RA (our CEO who owns more than $100 million in DAL stock/options) won't give us 12.8% upfront (forget the fact that we're 20% behind 2004 pay rates, not including inflation). As if a 12.8% is some pie in the sky figure---it still doesn't get us where we were a decade ago, or, by the time sailing says this will play out, 15 years later!
Sailing is basically saying your choice is to either "hold out" for 3+ years or---take the 3/3/3/3 and be happy.
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06-07-2014, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You really don't read your own posts. But I think this post of mine was 5 or 6 years ago when our management was indeed slowly liquidating the airline in an attempt to stem our rather large losses. That wasn't a prediction (or predication in your case), it was a statement of fact. I finished it with what I bolded above so even you should have been able to see it wasn't a prediction/predication.
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06-07-2014, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's exactly right. Sailingfud is just continuing the same FUD campaign he's waged since he first got here. You're not supposed to be smart enough to see through the FUD campaign though index. You're not playing fair.
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(That Buffett guy is such a moron) and all I want is a bigger paycheck anyway. 
Have fun with that one....
06-07-2014, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's exactly right. Sailingfud is just continuing the same FUD campaign he's waged since he first got here. You're not supposed to be smart enough to see through the FUD campaign though index. You're not playing fair.
Carl
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My point is simple. Management is not going to run their pilot costs way above the rest of the industry without a long drawn out fight.
You seem to think that if DALPA just demands the company will throw money at us. Sadly that's not going to happen.
06-07-2014, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The funny thing is Carl I have no intention of accepting 3,3,3 or anything close. Throw 12.8 out upfront and 4,4 you will however have my interest depending on the rest of the package.
My point is simple. Management is not going to run their pilot costs way above the rest of the industry without a long drawn out fight.
You seem to think that if DALPA just demands the company will throw money at us. Sadly that's not going to happen.
My point is simple. Management is not going to run their pilot costs way above the rest of the industry without a long drawn out fight.
You seem to think that if DALPA just demands the company will throw money at us. Sadly that's not going to happen.
06-07-2014, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The post was winter 2011
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Carl, are these predications like your statements a few years ago that Delta management was liquidating the airline?
Is this what you need to do to deflect from how often you are flat out wrong?
Carl
06-07-2014, 05:19 PM
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We are about 10 months from exchanging openers and already the usual suspects on both sides are sharpening their swords. This thread has become sadly predictable.
06-07-2014, 05:28 PM
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There will never be "unity" as long as DALPA/management operatives are here managing expectations ever lower.
MD preaches unity, while allowing--directing?--his hacks to undermine line pilots' efforts to attain our max potential in C15.
Crazy, really. I can't figure out what we're getting in return for our dues money. Just another bureaucracy-bred layer of blubber trying to keep itself fat, all the while becoming more and more out of touch with the line pilots' wishes, I guess.
MD preaches unity, while allowing--directing?--his hacks to undermine line pilots' efforts to attain our max potential in C15.
Crazy, really. I can't figure out what we're getting in return for our dues money. Just another bureaucracy-bred layer of blubber trying to keep itself fat, all the while becoming more and more out of touch with the line pilots' wishes, I guess.
06-07-2014, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So what is behind door number three then? Hold out, or take the 3/3/3/3 (lulz)... or.... ?
Originally Posted by tsquare
And how long will we have to hold out.
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06-07-2014, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by casual observer
I'm afraid this thread has lost its way.
I haven't seen a picture of a cheerleader for quite some time.
I haven't seen a picture of a cheerleader for quite some time.
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