You are partially right. My goal has been all along to be a member of the investing class. TVM is real, the greatest invention ever is that of compound interest, all those inconvenient truths that some choose to ignore when looking strictly at short term paychecks. You nailed me on that count, and nothing you can ever say will change that about me. What I find a bit disconcerting is that you , as a senior 747 captain, at the very top of the food chain still want to act like you are standing around a 55 gallon oil drum burning pallets to stay warm. It's great that you walk the walk regarding unity (with the exception of the DPA bullchit). It really is. But financially, if you are not clipping coupons right now, it is because you blew it all, and no amount of pay increase going forward will help that. It's just math.

And how dare you ever accuse me of not wanting what's best for this pilot group. If it comes down to a strike vote, contrary to what you have publicly stated, I will walk the walk with my brothers. Even you. Your problem is that you want to go nuclear before you even hear a gunshot. I think you even relish that concept. You hate dALPA because they do things differently than you are used to. You feel it ineffective because you don't see management with a bloody nose and you feel that a necessary by product of successful labor relations. Sad really. Show me a better contract in the industry right now. Any one. I'll wait. And then let's look at the relationships that their pilots have with their management. It has nothing to do with trickle down economics or anything like that Carl.. it's all about timing. Look at your watch. It ain't time yet.

 

Ummmm don't you KNOW your own opinion? I know mine. I don't care about yours, because it's different than mine. What if the group as a whole believed that all 747 captains are paid about right and that resulted in your pay staying right where it is? Do you care? Why would you? Would you be happy about a massive paycut on the next contract because the group realized that a M88 FO works far harder than you and should receive a bigger pay increase than Carl? Really? I think not.

If they release survey results, fine. Whatever. It serves no useful purpose, but if it makes Carl happy, by all means we should release it. I need something to keep the oil off my garage floor anyway.

 

Quoted so we had the bookends of the debate next to each other.

 

southwest. Fed ex.


Who cares what the relationship with the company is? (Besides RA, that is.) A good relationship won't pay for my kids' braces. Feel good lovefests between RA and ALPA won't pay for your generic Viagra.

So what exactly is the "time value" of a good relationship with management?

 

Do you even think about what you write?

 

I've seen guys that bid reserve don't have a regular line bid preference in. Does anyone know if I can (not) bid a regular (full) line and instead start my bid with a Reduced lower limit bid?

I don't want reserve in July, but I don't want much of a line either. And yes, I know I could drop what I don't want after the bid, that's not the question.

 

probably will stay in stick shaker for quite some time. But their network is far superior to
Your last point is well taken, and I don't disagree. I truly believe we will get substantial gains in C15. But we cannot ignore what the other airlines are doing. It just doesn't work that way. UAL/AAL/SWA have got to raise the bar in some areas. We cannot go alone each and every contract patterning against ourselves. Don't you get tired of having everybody else benefit by what WE do? I still want to be the premier group, but it's time for somebody else to at least do SOMETHING.[/QUOTE]

I think it matters less and less what the other airlines are doing. This management team has consistently said we want to be viewed as a leading transport company not just an airline company. So let's use that when we demand our restoration. Management cannot say to investors we are a leading transport company and tell us in negotiation we are an average airline.
Pay up

 

I think it matters less and less what the other airlines are doing. This management team has consistently said we want to be viewed as a leading transport company not just an airline company. So let's use that when we demand our restoration. Management cannot say to investors we are a leading transport company and tell us in negotiation we are an average airline.
Pay up[/QUOTE]

Of course the key to be a leading transport company is rigorous control of cost. They won't be saying we are getting average pay in 2015. The will claim we are at the top of the industry and the numbers will back them up.
The next contract is going to take 3 plus years at a minimum.

 

That is a very fair point, and if I were a negotiator that is exactly the tack I would take.

 

Hopefully in the interim, someone else will do a little heavy lifting to help us out.