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forgot to bid 10-15-2009 05:21 AM

So maybe they're already staffed for CRAF flying?

acl65pilot 10-15-2009 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 694701)
So if we're going to increase CRAF flying and use the 747s, how do you staff for that? I'm assuming you can't build lines a month in advance for it but at the same time you'll need the people so do you just over staff it on paper?

This flying is very profitable, and as with World they staff for a assumed sked, and then the overages are generally paid for by the contract.

iceman49 10-15-2009 05:50 AM

So when is RA going to come up and brief the Northern Exposure?

Dirtdiver 10-15-2009 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 694605)
... the 764 JFK flying will be done with ATL crews (my word the Roosevelt will be packed), DC9s to ATL and 88s back to NYC, so doesn't all this deadheading really bring to fruition the talk that we needed every pilot we had post SOC until fall of 2010?

I can only speak for the 764s, but we don't deadhead to/from JFK. It's in the middle of a 6/7 day.

Ever since they opened the ER base in NY, they built 6 day trips to appease the commuters, with layovers either in ATL or somewhere that used to be a layover for ATL crews. So all you save is the difference between an ATL vs NYC layover. Hardly covers the cost of opening a new base.

And check the domestic NYC bid package; NYC layovers!

forgot to bid 10-15-2009 06:03 AM

Yeah the ER was doing that to before I got off of it, they had those 9 day trips too.

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Hawaii50 10-15-2009 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 694726)
So when is RA going to come up and brief the Northern Exposure?

You must travel to Mecca to receive enlightenment. Those of us in the remote exposures (LA, North, NY) will do the hajj or be satisfied with the renderings of excellent note-takers.

capncrunch 10-15-2009 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 694649)
I'm just wondering if management is still going to try and subsidize the 100-120 seat flying.


Why wouldn't they? I suspect that is the biggest reason for holding off. See if they can get us to cave in for some $$$ in 2012 and then its a cheap regional product. Do not hold your breath for Moak to hold the 76 seat line, he has already explained that the regionals are good for mainline pilots.

I will actually be surprised if we keep the 100-120 seat flying...

finis72 10-15-2009 08:08 AM

Capn, I'm afraid I disagree with you on the 100 seat a/c. That is the one issue that would get closest to a strike vote of 100%.My problem with bringing all RJ flying on board is that we don't owe anybody not on our seniority list a darn thing.Once they are aboard you now have a "C" scale in effect and future bargaining $'s will have to be shifted to them.The pie is only so big.I will not be around for any of this as I am a short timer but I caution people who are: think this whole scenario thru,it is a double edged sword.Now that the horse is out of the barn how much are you willing to give up to put that sucker back in ?

Hawaii50 10-15-2009 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 694800)
Capn, I'm afraid I disagree with you on the 100 seat a/c. That is the one issue that would get closest to a strike vote of 100%.My problem with bringing all RJ flying on board is that we don't owe anybody not on our seniority list a darn thing.Once they are aboard you now have a "C" scale in effect and future bargaining $'s will have to be shifted to them.The pie is only so big.I will not be around for any of this as I am a short timer but I caution people who are: think this whole scenario thru,it is a double edged sword.Now that the horse is out of the barn how much are you willing to give up to put that sucker back in ?

Excellent post! The most prudent strategy IMO: Draw a line on any further scope erosion (76 seats and above never outsourced again), increase payscales and rules across the board, and work to regain existing 76 seat flying. There's nothing left to give to benefit another work group after a decade of beatings here.

DeadHead 10-15-2009 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 694780)
Why wouldn't they? I suspect that is the biggest reason for holding off. See if they can get us to cave in for some $$$ in 2012 and then its a cheap regional product. Do not hold your breath for Moak to hold the 76 seat line, he has already explained that the regionals are good for mainline pilots.

I will actually be surprised if we keep the 100-120 seat flying...

I'm middle of the road as to what they will try and pull in the 2012 contract. Looking at the latest actions by management it would appear that they are downsizing/limiting the regional connection carrier feeds. I guess part of that is inefficiencies of the 50 seat jet, in addition to the inability to quickly and effectively react to changes in the market as a result of being tied up in regional contract agreements.

On the other hand, I could see them dangling a contract with 100-120 seat aircraft while also dangling an even better paying contract without the 100-120 seat aircraft.

I don't believe the two go hand in hand, but I'm hoping they do not try batting one side of our pilot group against the other. Scope should not be negotiable, period, and I hope our current ALPA reps realize the significance of that.


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