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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1664953)
I didn't want to extend. I told my captain. He said I had no reason not to extend as it was his leg and we were only going over by about 18 minutes (ended up only being :11) so I took the path of least resistance. The release we signed had an earlier departure time. They pushed our time back twice waiting for pax. I signed the release before I knew were going into our extension. I told the captain this is not legal per FARs. He called crew tracking who told him it was. Captain then disagreed with me. I stopped arguing and just flew flight. I feel we have an illegal and broken system. That is why I am posting this. I feel we should have been given a new release. I honestly felt like refusing the extension would have been way more hassle than it was worth. If my own captain is against me, then I figure everyone's against me.
I hate that the default is acceptance, and a threat of pay loss and CP involvement to justify our decision. I've flown a couple of the new max effort 117 trips and never been so tired since my last ORI. So much for scientific crew rest. |
Q1: Does the fitness-for-duty affirmation that the PIC signed prior to when he found out about the delay serve as concurrence to an extension?
Subsection 117.l9(a) allows an FDP to be extended up to 2 hours beyond the pertinent FDP limit in response to unforeseen operational circumstances that arise prior to takeoff. This extension is subject to a number of limitations, one of which is that the PIC and the certificate holder must both concur with the extension.' A document that the PIC signed before he found out about the need for an extension would not be sufficient to concur with the extension because a person cannot concur with something that he or she does not know about. Instead, the PIC must affirmatively concur with the extension. So we sign the FDRA and agree to an extension that's known prior to signing. But if a reason materializes after signing (after block-out), we have to agree via ACARS. Correct? |
Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 1664800)
Most every thing is 5-10-15 overbooked. I'm waiting for the feds to blow the whistle.
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
(Post 1664976)
Your signature on a release means nothing if you refuse the extension. Your legality whining is just part of the crap that get spewed by you and others on this board everyday. When it came to rubber meeting the road you couldn't step up and say "I'm not going." You were more scared of the boogey man than doing the safe/right thing. The Captain pressured you and you caved.
My offense is that you failed to man up and then you come here and whine about it being everyone's else fault. It is your fault. Live with the decisions you make. It is called being professional. |
Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
(Post 1665010)
So much for scientific crew rest.
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Still no b scheds out.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1664980)
Why? This is how our company chooses to handle it. It's no secret. It's been put in writing. They never retracted it.
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1664977)
I was told there is now a male flight attendant in charge of the project.
Sadly, I'm not joking. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Razorback one
(Post 1664970)
The Delta pilot that was working on the project quit. If that tells you anything. I'm going to guess that on Father's Day, 2015 we will either begin the test phase or they will give up.
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1664977)
I was told there is now a male flight attendant in charge of the project.
Sadly, I'm not joking. :rolleyes: "Lucky Lindy didn't have no stinking pad when he flew across the Atlantic" |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1665034)
Always has been, from what I've heard.
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