I hate to change the subject from FAR 117 and bashing each other over the contract, but there is another call to action about NAI going on. I realize these things get repetitive, but it's time to let the Senate know our stance. Please take a minute this weekend to log and click the button (or mash it if you're in ATL). Takes just a little of your time and it could very well protect our careers. Thanks!

Thanks for the advice on bidding, fellas! I just backdoored my B, and for the first time ever, I won't have to rabidly play the drop/swap PCS game. :)

This bears re-posting
Check, you are not missing anything. The "automatic extension" policy is contrary to the FAA's interpretation of 117. If you sign the release before knowing about an extension, that signature does NOT mean that you approve any subsequent extension - no matter what the company says. You can only approve an extension AFTER you know about it.

So a few years back Sailing writes the CEO a letter....they call him down to Hooterville to talk about it...they assign an intern to give him some grammar and spelling lessons....pay the kid fifty bucks....a few years later he writes another letter...they call him down again, they want the fifty bucks back. OK seriously though...I think he is one of the good guys and respect how he hangs in here.

You are correct because memory rat. :D

I didn't want to extend. I told my captain. He said I had no reason not to extend as it was his leg and we were only going over by about 18 minutes (ended up only being :11) so I took the path of least resistance. The release we signed had an earlier departure time. They pushed our time back twice waiting for pax. I signed the release before I knew were going into our extension. I told the captain this is not legal per FARs. He called crew tracking who told him it was. Captain then disagreed with me. I stopped arguing and just flew flight. I feel we have an illegal and broken system. That is why I am posting this. I feel we should have been given a new release. I honestly felt like refusing the extension would have been way more hassle than it was worth. If my own captain is against me, then I figure everyone's against me.

Done. Thanks for the heads up.

I suggest you don't post anymore about it on this public forum and call ALPA tomorrow.

The Delta pilot that was working on the project quit. If that tells you anything. I'm going to guess that on Father's Day, 2015 we will either begin the test phase or they will give up.
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It is well worth a try, but, it's each pilots' responsibility and it takes two pilots to screw anything up.

The thing about fatigue is that it is insidious. The other pilot might not realize they are impaired to the degree that they are.

Studies show flying drunk is less dangerous than flying fatigued. How many would watch a crew member pound about six in a bar before walking to the gate?