Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1664685)

Doubt it. Few will end up staying because they will easily be able to go somewhere else before they "non-flow" to DL in the first place. The attrition of existing PCL pilots will likely increase as this only motivates more to leave what they somewhat rightfully see as an almost hostile work environment as soon as the "golden children" start flowing in.

And then there's the over all morale of the operation. It will be a very long time before the golden children outnumber those on the mainline side of the drawbridge.

It may help them fill some classes in the short term, but it was a huge miscalculation if the goal was to fix the attrition crisis and help the operation.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1664692)

The EtD is just the tip of the iceberg, there are several more programs they are working on, including a special Delta ATP license. I think management will be very successful in keeping this place afloat. The rumor is also floating around that Delta is going to buy Compass, and operate it just like Endeavor.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664677)

How does extending our flight duty period work? It happened to me yesterday. They kept pushing our flight back 15 minutes at a time until we were extended. I told my captain that I didn't want to extend. He pressured me into continuing. He also called crew tracking because I told him I thought we needed to concur. Crew tracking told him signing the release was concurring. I signed the release before I knew we were extending. How is that concurring? My point is it is very hard to turn down an extension. I was honestly too tired to even fight it so I flew the :45 min flight and took the path of least resistance. Actually the captain did. It was his leg. I have been more tired flying under 117 than I ever was under the old rules. You have to pretty much add a half hour to all the published FTD times because the 30 minute post flight does not count.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1664701)

Why would DL inherit CPZ, sell them then immediately buy them? I just don't see this particular management team as being as ADHD short sighted as the Leo the Ceo/Reid team was.

And whiskey tango fudge is a "Delta ATP"?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664677)

How does extending our flight duty period work? It happened to me yesterday. They kept pushing our flight back 15 minutes at a time until we were extended. I told my captain that I didn't want to extend. He pressured me into continuing. He also called crew tracking because I told him I thought we needed to concur. Crew tracking told him signing the release was concurring. I signed the release before I knew we were extending. How is that concurring? My point is it is very hard to turn down an extension. I was honestly too tired to even fight it so I flew the :45 min flight and took the path of least resistance. Actually the captain did. It was his leg. I have been more tired flying under 117 than I ever was under the old rules. You have to pretty much add a half hour to all the published FTD times because the 30 minute post flight does not count.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1664706)

When you told the Captain you were to tired to continue that should have been the end of the story. He should have called the dispatcher and declined the extension. No mention should have been made about who declined. You could however under the 117 LOA declined the extension on your own.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1664742)

Any rumors/wags on the Surface pads?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664757)

How? Never received any guidance from ALPA on that.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664757)

How? Never received any guidance from ALPA on that.