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Piklepausepull 06-14-2014 04:06 PM

Is this the Emma Watson pic?

Wow she grew up "well"


http://resources0.news.com.au/images...mma-watson.jpg

Sorry: I'm not allowed to post pics....

Piklepausepull 06-14-2014 04:10 PM

Looks like some plastic work here!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...-ygOORJpf1W2lm

pilotjockey 06-14-2014 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1664637)
Who are you and what have you done with shiznit?? :D

Good points. I'd also add that the company dragging its feet on 117 negotiations inflated IA/RR/GS numbers.


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1664781)
I usually don't defend ALPA...but do you really need guidance from ALPA to know you never have to fly fatigued? :confused:

If nothing else, walking off the plane and calling the duty pilot is probably a good place to start.

Flying fatigued because you couldn't/wouldn't stop the operation is unsat.

I'm buying a lottery ticket... Two posts in a row that PD an I are in agreement!:D


(I'm going to ignore the "don't normally defend ALPA" part...)LOL

CheapTrick 06-14-2014 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664757)
How? Never received any guidance from ALPA on that.

Unbelievable, a pilot that can't be assertive enough call in fatigued blames ALPA for his weakness. Live with the decision you made and stop blaming others.

badflaps 06-14-2014 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1664688)
I gotta quick question. We on the MD based products seem to do a number of these three hour out station sits. I heard an Asa guy saying they were doing that too.

Is that Part 117 related? Not a big deal just curious.

Oh and nonreving sucks ###########. We ended up staying at the Renaissance last night and as a family we watched planes takeoff and land. Observation, the second high speed on 26R looks way shorter from ten stories up then it does on the ground.

The 88 thrust reverses are obnoxiously loud... Just like when sitting in the back. The 90 looks like it's barely hanging on when it comes in. And I know Bar... It is barely hanging on. :D

717s are series than everyone else's plane but I am not biased.

And A320 pilots I have a little piece of advice... Nobody likes a showoff. Freaking greases every time.

It only took 25 hours to fly to a place that's a ten hour drive away. So I reserved a one way rental back.

Most every thing is 5-10-15 overbooked. I'm waiting for the feds to blow the whistle.

Ferd149 06-14-2014 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1664759)
Continued delay. Was to be shipped to everyone last month.

Of all things, they can not get it to push documents and updates to us.

Many software engineers in Redmond "working on it."

Jump seated Mesa two days ago into PHX.

Again, for emphasis.


Mesa.

They have iPads.

Mesa??........geeze:(

I was feeling bad enough watching the Alaska and USAir dudes use theirs!

Microsoft: "We have our best people looking into it"

Us: "Who?"

Microsoft: "our best people"

Ferd

hockeypilot44 06-14-2014 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1664799)
Unbelievable, a pilot that can't be assertive enough call in fatigued blames ALPA for his weakness. Live with the decision you made and stop blaming others.

I wasn't calling in fatigued. I wanted to refuse an extension. Not the same thing. Unbelievable that at a company like ours, breaking FAR's is acceptable. The FAA has specifically put out guidance saying that signing the release IS NOT CONSENT TO EXTEND yet we still do it that way. Unbelievable to me that our captains don't care and have no problem pressuring our first officers into extending. I should have called crew tracking and just refused. Next time I will. Unfortunately, it has been implied through memos that not extending is an abnormal here just like our commuting policy.

FmrFreightDog 06-14-2014 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664811)
I wasn't calling in fatigued. I wanted to refuse an extension. Not the same thing.

^^^This... Amazing to me how many people don't understand this distinction. You don't have to be fatigued to refuse an extension. "Because I don't want to" is a perfectly legitimate reason to refuse an extension.

Oberon 06-14-2014 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1664815)
^^^This... Amazing to me how many people don't understand this distinction. You don't have to be fatigued to refuse an extension. "Because I don't want to" is a perfectly legitimate reason to refuse an extension.

According to the ALPA 117 document question 24 a crew can be extended if the PIC and company agree the crew is "fit and the flight can be safely operated if extended". If a fit crew who could operate the flight safely refuses an extension because they don't want to do it they would be opening themselves up to a possible claim of insubordination.

I believe the intent of the rule is to force operators to schedule shorter days (than the old rules) but still allow for schedule interruptions. Instead of saying companies are allowed to schedule x hours and fly y hours they (wisely) included language that forces the crew to assess their fitness for duty and formally affirm it before continuing. It's functionally no different than a fatigue call.

Alan Shore 06-14-2014 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1664811)
I wasn't calling in fatigued. I wanted to refuse an extension. Unbelievable to me that our captains don't care and have no problem pressuring our first officers into extending.

Are you saying that, in spite of you telling the Captain that you were not fit to go on, he pressured you into doing so? Sounds like a ProStan issue to me.


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