KC10 FATboy

No it doesn't. That is exactly what I am trying to prevent. I can not do a SC to LGA or JFK. And since the number of trips out of LGA and JFK dwarf those out of EWR, then the schedulers aren't going to waste a body for EWR. This is just my case. There are others who could get to EWR and LGA but not JFK. And so on.

If you are on SC, then you must be within reporting distance to any of the three airports. If notify you for a SC to EWR and you're at the Kew, tell them "its going to be a while." They may know guys like me who can cover it. And often they do.

I tell you what, can the company pay for my tolls? That Verazzano Bridge is now $13 bucks one way and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Corzine raised the tolls in NJ in some cases up 300%. I routinely spend a minimum $150 bucks each month just to drive to and from work (3-4 trips a month). So, can the company help me out as well?

See my point? I would just recommend that we negotiate reimbursement of a taxi or the use of a crew runner, the same things the FAs have. There are also some companies that will shuttle you there (timing dependent) for like $25 and a tip. But they usually have to have you scheduled so I'm not sure is a SC callout would work. There are options ... but changing the rules midstream for the folks who commute isn't in my opinion fair.

dragon

That's what I'm saying. The FAs have transpo from Kew, company provided. JB has the same. Why have trips start out of EWR at all. BTW would you take the subway, bus option to make that 0600 sign in at EWR? Have you done your homework on that scenario?

Not trying to pick a fight, just want you to see it from a different perspective. I'm glad your decision to live in base worked out, but how will that work when/if you get displaced to the 9 in MSP, DTW or MEM?

KC10 FATboy

There's a need to have trips start out of EWR, you and I both know this.

Why would I take the subway and/or bus? They will end up costing you the same and depending on where you're trying to go, you will need a minimum of 2-3 hours. Mass transit options are a joke in NYC / NJ.

Anyhow, I am against having scheduling determine which base you are going to sit SC or LC for unless they protect the people who played by the rules and got a house in base near one of those bases.

If I was displaced out, then I would get a home there. Sorry if this isn't an option for you.

80ktsClamp

The growth that was briefed was 3-5% per year.

bigdaddie

Dude, your missing it. AA only requires that you report to the "Primary Airport." You may at your option report to the airport of departure. Also, they surface transport you so like your JFK - EWR takeoff, if you opted for the surface transport, it would be report (0500) less transport time (1:00) or 4am. AND you get paid the surface deadhead and per deim. Why is that a bad deal?

BD

acl65pilot

I figured it was, but that is good. A month would have been awesome but unsupported.

Cycle Pilot

I agree with this one, too! I just started in NYC and it's ridiculous that the union hasn't worked something out for us. The FA's get transportation. I take MTA with my flight case and rollerboard... NOT FUN! I don't even want to know what it's going to be like when the winter weather hits!

acl65pilot

Because senior guys will bid on top of him. He wants to make it difficult and therefore unattractive. ( I think that is a plan, but there are about 360 NWA guys that live "close" that will be bidding anyway. )

acl65pilot

Ask an FA why they get it!

I think that is a good deal, and at a min we need to work something out like that.

KC10 FATboy

Why would I want to have report times of 2am? That's what you're going to end up with. The traffic in NYC is unpredictable because at night they close lanes, bridges and tunnels for work. My two longest commutes were trying to get home from LGA after midnight. It took me over 4 hours twice. That was 2.5 hours trying to escape NYC.

If they have transport provided, do I lose my employee parking spot at EWR? Do I get reimbursed for parking at the second airport? Something tells me, no. How do I know this? DAL is already removing parking passes from those of us who fly out of EWR. "It is too expensive for us to provide parking passed now to EWR. You must use long term parking". If they are already doing that, they aren't going to pay for me to park when there's a bus provided.

Again, WHY are we proposing going through all this mess for something that is so trivial? The FAs already have it figured out. Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel?

Just because a majority of the people who are based in NYC don't live there, doesn' mean that we impose rules that would screw the people who moved or lived in base and played by the rules.