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Old 06-28-2014, 12:57 PM
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Regarding duty days...recall that until November, the PWA duty table currently found in Section 12 is still in effect until the implementation of the 5:15 ADG.

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Old 06-28-2014, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post


You know I was looking at this picture and the first thing that popped into my mind was... can a 739 do this route?

I am telling you my idea is a good one, something wide for these long thin routes.

Go 782.
Huh? 739? There's an airplane in that picture?
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:54 PM
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Just wait until they start using wheel spin up for block time. That's another 5-15 minutes per flight per day of lost block time merely by using a lawyer wordsmith trick. Who knows, maybe they'll even double up with tow ins at every gate too.
I'm not sure how you get 5-15 minutes per flight here. We're talking about the difference between when we've historically turned the beacon on and when the airplane actually begins to push back, right? I've rarely known that to be more than 1-2 minutes, absent a ramp delay of some sort. Even then, we'll only be losing time if the flight goes over scheduled block, right?

Regarding tow-ins, that counts as flight time as surely as pushback does.
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Old 06-28-2014, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore View Post
I'm not sure how you get 5-15 minutes per flight here. We're talking about the difference between when we've historically turned the beacon on and when the airplane actually begins to push back, right? I've rarely known that to be more than 1-2 minutes, absent a ramp delay of some sort. Even then, we'll only be losing time if the flight goes over scheduled block, right?

Regarding tow-ins, that counts as flight time as surely as pushback does.
I believe it's when the bird moves under it's own power.
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Old 06-28-2014, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Farmlover View Post
I believe it's when the bird moves under it's own power.
Not according to the contract:

“Block time” means the time beginning when an aircraft first moves for the purpose of
flight or repositioning and ending when the aircraft comes to a stop at the next destination or at the point of departure.


Note the absence of the qualifier of movement "under its own power."
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone View Post
Ftb,

Do me a favor; zoom this picture, crop and repost. Aim for the bottom (no pun intended)
please. THank you.

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Old 06-28-2014, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
They should have never gave up the additional 76 seat jets, however, that point is probably moot now that DCI is coming apart. Sailingfun is right about C2012, that restructure money would likely not be on the table now.
The total number of allowed 76 seat jets was reduced in contract 2012.
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post


I am telling you my idea is a good one, something wide for these long thin routes.

Go 782.
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:09 PM
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OK aircraft ID fans. Have at it.
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:12 PM
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OK aircraft ID fans. Have at it.
The one on top is a Twin Otter.
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