Paxhauler is a Compass guy with a particular disdain for DL pilots, IIRC.

Ironically, the mediocre contract he accuses us of signing to guarantee growth has been WN's lifeblood... Bite after bite combined with the legacy bankruptcies and they ended up on top in a few key areas.

And props to Alan for very succinctly correcting sailing's usual line.

 

I just want to mention here... JungleBus may in fact be the most traveled dude in the world. Is it just me, or does that guy know all the tricks, where to go, how to get there, and did it last year? I'm being serious here, next time I'm trying to get somewhere unusual, I'll be PMing JungleBus. I'm always wondering how he managed to do all that travel? I remember now why I was rooting for him to get widgetized!

 

Just sayin', I think the Mad Dog is longer ...it can reach places the chunky 73 cant

 

That depends on how they choose to define it. Even if your scenario was the case, that still takes 1-2 minutes of block time off the average flight which is a lot times every flight per day in the system over the course of a year. If they take it up a notch and go for the outdated technical definition that no one uses of "taxis under its own power for the purpose of flight" that could potentially remove the pushback, disconnect, wait to get taxi clearance and the beginning of actual taxi up to the movement trigger (6 knots of forward motion only perhaps?) and that would cost us a lot of jobs and pile on a lot of additional block time pulled from thin air.

Something like that would be devistating to our manning formulas because even if we get "door pay" this is an incredibly dangerous issue that will not only cost us jobs but roll back a large portion of the FAR117 safety gains by playing cheap lawyer tricks way outside the spirit of the new regulations. Yeah, those new block time limits are cute…how about we just tweak the definition of time despite decades of precedence and simply roll some of those gains right back, mmm kay?

If they even attempt something like that we need to disengage and go straight to the Colgan families and make noise about it big time. Even if we don't try to go there, someone will eventually and it could easily trickle down to us, perhaps with our inadvertant blessing as we're counting our door pay money today while ignoring the lost block hours and jobs up the entire stovepipe for our entire careers. Oh and we'll be "flying" more too, it'll just be off the books due to cheap lawyer tricks so perhaps that makes it OK.

This is a huge deal and a potential blunder we can't afford to let happen, much less actively enable it by accident.

 

That may be the current book, and I'm glad it is. But we still need to watch this issue like a hawk. Eventually this will be costed out and we will be bribed with the value of our own jobs. Even if we don't initiate it, others will and that will put more pressure on us to do so. Any attempt by anyone needs to go straight to DC, the press and the Colgan victims with an agressive lobbying attempt to stop it.

 

If true that's pretty funny, especially given his/her avatar.

 

Good work

 

Pretty sure there's a hornet in that nest.

 

Yeah, no way you were at 290 in the Douglas MD37-900

 

Agreed, particularly as the FAA definition of block time does require movement under the aircraft's own power.