Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-01-2014, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Absolute 100% baloney. You can't back up a single word of this with real data.
You DALPA folks seem to post from the exact same talking points. Talking points aren't facts.
Carl
You DALPA folks seem to post from the exact same talking points. Talking points aren't facts.
Carl
07-01-2014, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
You're right. I was getting ahead of myself. I should have stated that as being my understanding. Our pay rates were certainly higher than everyone, other than SWA, FDX, and UPS. One can also look at the MIT Airline Data Project that's been discussed here previously to see that we cost more per block hour in total than any other carrier, including SWA.
07-01-2014, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Take the time to talk to your reps. UAL and American are saying 15% productivity gain for management.
I had a great deal of experience at NWA ALPA paying millions to pilots from grievances. Rebidding the air line on paper using the waterfall to get every harmed pilot the money owed had management followed the contract.
I agree not every retirement will be a 777 or 747 captain, but pay banding is a massive concession any way you look at it. We don't need to make concessions and we certainly don't need more stagnation and longer freezes.
Like CDOs, once the line pilots are aware pay banding is on the table, hopefully we can file it with CDOs in the waste basket.
I had a great deal of experience at NWA ALPA paying millions to pilots from grievances. Rebidding the air line on paper using the waterfall to get every harmed pilot the money owed had management followed the contract.
I agree not every retirement will be a 777 or 747 captain, but pay banding is a massive concession any way you look at it. We don't need to make concessions and we certainly don't need more stagnation and longer freezes.
Like CDOs, once the line pilots are aware pay banding is on the table, hopefully we can file it with CDOs in the waste basket.
07-01-2014, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright
I had to search that out to see if what you're saying is true. Guess it is.
07-01-2014, 04:28 AM
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Wait... I haven't had my coffee yet. Is a lower bar more efficient? If bigger is better (It always seems to be in this bidness) then SWA is the worst in terms of efficiency. Bean counters dont like that kind of thing, and they are in contract negotiations.... still.
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07-01-2014, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Wait... I haven't had my coffee yet. Is a lower bar more efficient? If bigger is better (It always seems to be in this bidness) then SWA is the worst.
07-01-2014, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
...pay banding is a massive concession any way you look at it. We don't need to make concessions and we certainly don't need more stagnation and longer freezes.
Like CDOs, once the line pilots are aware pay banding is on the table, hopefully we can file it with CDOs in the waste basket.
2) How come you didn't speak about CDO's in time for the group to react?
07-01-2014, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright
That's the way I read it.
07-01-2014, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
If that was the case, the Dalpa propaganda machine would not dispatch you (and the other usual suspects) here to tout Dalpa's talking points, float Dalpa's latest sellouts, and tamp down expectations.
There may be a relatively small number of posters, but to claim that only "50-100" are lurking is nonsense, and you know it.
There may be a relatively small number of posters, but to claim that only "50-100" are lurking is nonsense, and you know it.
Of course, you have to consider that whatever is happening here isn't the "ALPA" propaganda machine, but either an invention, or some inside politics spilling out in the open. Sort of feels more like a propaganda effort to drive opinion. I don't pretend to know what's going on in this case. My reps haven't said word one on this topic, but of course, my reps didn't say anything about CDO's either.
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