Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-09-2014 | 11:16 PM
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In Los Angeles, there was a fantastic gentleman and aviator who served us all as a check airman. Great pilot and an even better teacher.
I had the pleasure of flying with him on the 727 and the 767. Glad I did. It was an honor.
During the throes of bankruptcy, he sadly committed suicide. A wife and kids lost a husband, best friend, and father. Forever.
It was said by those with intimate knowledge of the details that the financial strain of bankruptcy played a major role in this tragedy.
I don't think he probably saw things as "losing a little money" as you say, particularly since he was close to retirement.
It might be best to Shut the Phuque Up on this, Alfa. It's up to you, but knowing your ego, I'm not betting on it.
07-10-2014 | 02:51 AM
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Alfa...why exactly do you post here? What are you trying to accomplish?
I'd be happy to answer the question myself, but for now I'm trying to grasp your motivation.
Are you here to help the line pilot?
I'd be happy to answer the question myself, but for now I'm trying to grasp your motivation.
Are you here to help the line pilot?
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07-10-2014 | 04:01 AM
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Hey guys...
Can anyone log into the Travelnet site on a non Delta computer and see if they can list for a flight or check loads.
I tried late last night and this morning from my house and cell phone and cannot.
Thanks
.....Nevermind....figured it out
Can anyone log into the Travelnet site on a non Delta computer and see if they can list for a flight or check loads.
I tried late last night and this morning from my house and cell phone and cannot.
Thanks
.....Nevermind....figured it out
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07-10-2014 | 05:16 AM
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He brings objective data to the discussion.
Web boards posts are often the emotional outbursts of those who want to explain their feelings, which are too often negative.
I appreciate anyone who brings objective data and rational thought to the deliberations.
(and that's my emotive outburst on the topic
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07-10-2014 | 05:33 AM
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For no aparent reason...
07-10-2014 | 05:55 AM
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07-10-2014 | 05:58 AM
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Good lord this thread has a short memory.
07-10-2014 | 05:58 AM
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07-10-2014 | 06:01 AM
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So, now we enter the silly season. It is amazing how you try to have a discussion based on facts and then it turns to insanity.
Listen, my friend, if you are looking for sympathy over recent events I can tell you that you are knocking on the wrong door. I would love to change the past but unfortunately that is not the way the world really works.
This is how it really works. In bankruptcy (which occurred in 2005-2007 if you can't remember that far back) we gave four years of non-pension concessions that averaged $150 million per year. 4 times 150 is $600 million. Are you keeping up so far? The pension is technically not a negotiated concession because there is no way to negotiate to terminate a defined benefit plan but let's just call that a concession to keep you from blowing your head apart. That was $900 million. Now in my calculator $900 million plus $600 million is $1.5 billion.
Returns. We got a $2.1 billion claim that netted pilots around $1.35 billion when it was sold. We got $650 million cash. Pull out your calculator and add those two and you should get $2.0 billion.
Now is $2.0 billion more than $1.5 billion? Yes or no?
So those are the facts. Take your self centered pity somewhere else because it won't work on me. No spin, just the real world. Now we can return to the usual silliness because I guess we have had enough of the real world for now.
Wake up, the world does not give a crap about what you think you are owed. No one cares, least of all me. If you let that form the basis of how you approach a business negotiation, you might as well surrender right now. You are really a sorry sight, quit feeling sorry for yourself, there are much worse things that can happen than losing a little money.
Listen, my friend, if you are looking for sympathy over recent events I can tell you that you are knocking on the wrong door. I would love to change the past but unfortunately that is not the way the world really works.
This is how it really works. In bankruptcy (which occurred in 2005-2007 if you can't remember that far back) we gave four years of non-pension concessions that averaged $150 million per year. 4 times 150 is $600 million. Are you keeping up so far? The pension is technically not a negotiated concession because there is no way to negotiate to terminate a defined benefit plan but let's just call that a concession to keep you from blowing your head apart. That was $900 million. Now in my calculator $900 million plus $600 million is $1.5 billion.
Returns. We got a $2.1 billion claim that netted pilots around $1.35 billion when it was sold. We got $650 million cash. Pull out your calculator and add those two and you should get $2.0 billion.
Now is $2.0 billion more than $1.5 billion? Yes or no?
So those are the facts. Take your self centered pity somewhere else because it won't work on me. No spin, just the real world. Now we can return to the usual silliness because I guess we have had enough of the real world for now.
Wake up, the world does not give a crap about what you think you are owed. No one cares, least of all me. If you let that form the basis of how you approach a business negotiation, you might as well surrender right now. You are really a sorry sight, quit feeling sorry for yourself, there are much worse things that can happen than losing a little money.
I do agree that all the different pots of money that have come are way since the bankruptcy seem to be forgotten by many.
07-10-2014 | 06:08 AM
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Manager: PM coming. I suggest you take it to heart.
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