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Carl Spackler , 07-17-2014 06:35 PM

Back on TDY

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Oh boy, you caught another conspiracy there. Is that really the best you can come up with?

Maybe you can take a crack at it. You were able to figure out how awful that deal was all by yourself. Now why didn't the entire pilot group agree with you? See if you can find some way to answer that question without basically saying the pilot group is unqualified to represent themselves and it should be left up to the better people like you.

It's not even possible for you to communicate honestly and effectively. You can only distort and condescend. You're a relatively smart guy and could probably go somewhere if you could ever fix this problem of yours.

Carl

#163052

80ktsClamp , 07-17-2014 06:35 PM

Da Hudge

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Feeling a bit condescending-y tonight, eh?

I thought the deal was sub par to where it needed to be. I set standards to where I felt it should be, and it came in below in every area. It was not an emotional vote for me.

Just under half agreed with me and just over half felt it was good enough.

How's that?

#163053

newKnow , 07-17-2014 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Are you talking NYC or ATL?

ATL. The Mecca.

#163054

buzzpat , 07-17-2014 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

As a known Fox News watcher I definitely take my hits from you MSNBC lovers, but I think even you guys have to admit this is just embarrassing. Can just anyone be a news anchor there?

Carl

Yes! And her producers/screeners should be axed.

#163055

Mesabah , 07-17-2014 07:18 PM

:-)

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Once a contract reaches memrat, it's a bit too late, and the pilot has to vote on what's in front of them. Just because they vote yes, doesn't mean the contract isn't a failure of negotiations. The mindset of the yes vote, is perhaps because the pilot believes he can not receive a better deal by voting no, given the perceived weakness of the NC.

#163056

newKnow , 07-17-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

Yes! And her producers/screeners should be axed.

Are you guys saying she did something wrong?

#163057

Gomerglideslope , 07-17-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Here is the crux of the problem, YOU don't believe in democracy. If there is a vote that you disagree with, it is a flawed democracy, it can't be just that you were in the minority.

The MEC adopted the policy manual unanimously and that policy manual guided everyone's actions in the C2012 negotiations. At least fifty times you and others have been asked to quote the section of the policy manual that wasn't followed. You won't and you can't, because it was followed to the letter. The policy manual is not the way you want so therefore it is flawed because YOU don't believe in democracy.

The MEC had seven days to mull over the TA. You claim they were arm twisted and cajoled, but not you, you didn't fall for it. Wow, how special that makes you. In fact, there were many events planned for people to sit around and discuss the agreement openly and have a frank discussion. Instead of attending these, you and many others locked themselves away in your own little club. Maybe you expected them to read your mind about how you felt. When the vote comes out 2 to 1 against you, well it is a flawed vote and those who voted yes were either too stupid or too weak to stand up for themselves. In reality it is YOU that doesn't believe in democracy.

The pilots were given the full contract language and had at least a month to go through it. They could ask questions debate the issues, attend road shows, and make their decision. Again they voted 2 to 1 against you. Again it was because they were too stupid or too weak to stand up for themselves. YOU don't believe in democracy.

What you really want is to have some type of super delegate status where we don't really have a vote, we only get to count the votes that you agree with. You have never accepted our policy manual, the MEC rarely meets where you or one of your friends has not tried to change the policy manual and you still lose those votes. Once again the MEC is too stupid or too weak to do the right thing because YOU don't believe in democracy. Seriously, how many times do we have to have the same debate about electing committee chairman? I know that is the way you are used to, but do you have any data to show that your way produces better results? But hey, if you don't believe in democracy then the democratic vote doesn't mean anything. We should just keep voting until we get it right.

If you are going to claim the policy manual wasn't followed then at least you should quote the section that wasn't followed. I await with bated breath.

So I turn you statement right back on you. You didn't get the result you desire and therefore the democracy is flawed. By a two to one margin the Delta pilot group disagrees with you, but of course they are too stupid or too weak to make their own decisions.

Cogent, logical arguments are not welcome here sir, but the effort is commendable. Carl states "Distortion and straw man arguments are too easily deciphered around here Alfa"... I shall standby anxiously for said deciphering.

#163058

GunshipGuy , 07-17-2014 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Are you guys saying she did something wrong?

No, she's doing an excellent job upholding the MSNBC reputation for quality reporting.

#163059

newKnow , 07-17-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy

No, she's doing an excellent job upholding the MSNBC reputation for quality reporting.

Just like Fox.

But, I really didn't see where she did anything wrong. Unless there was more to the video that I missed, it was her guest that had the problem.

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buzzpat , 07-17-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Are you guys saying she did something wrong?

Yes, a) she didn't know who she was interviewing, b) any reputable network knows to vet interviews, especially "call ins," and, c), she was clueless as to time, place, circumstance, etc.

So, yes. She's an idiot.

Also new, I can't wait to have a beer with you and talk about our current executive. What a frikkin mess,