Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-23-2009, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
ACL,
It was a very simple and direct question, but you did not answer it. Let me ask it a couple of different ways. It took me a while to find the information on the ALPA site, but as I read it in the long and boring policy manual, material can only be sent out by a candidate or on behalf of a candidate. A plain old line guy like myself cannot. So . . .
Was the email sent out by you? You answered (very carefully) "I did not send the email to national".
So . . .
Was the e-mail sent out on your behalf? IOW, did you authorize the e-mail to be sent out even if you did not physically hit the send button and send it to ALPA national?
It was a very simple and direct question, but you did not answer it. Let me ask it a couple of different ways. It took me a while to find the information on the ALPA site, but as I read it in the long and boring policy manual, material can only be sent out by a candidate or on behalf of a candidate. A plain old line guy like myself cannot. So . . .
Was the email sent out by you? You answered (very carefully) "I did not send the email to national".
So . . .
Was the e-mail sent out on your behalf? IOW, did you authorize the e-mail to be sent out even if you did not physically hit the send button and send it to ALPA national?
Does this answer what you are getting at?
At this point, I don't really care about the answers to the survey that much. They are not all that revealing to me as they are simply the words of someone trying to get elected. Integrity does matter though.
What I do care about is a candidate (assuming you are a candidate) who can't answer a simple question with a simple and direct answer. I am not picking on you personally. I don't even know who you are (though I have my suspicions). The MEC forums kinda suck, but at least you know who is who.
What I do care about is a candidate (assuming you are a candidate) who can't answer a simple question with a simple and direct answer. I am not picking on you personally. I don't even know who you are (though I have my suspicions). The MEC forums kinda suck, but at least you know who is who.
10-23-2009, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
ACL,
It was a very simple and direct question, but you did not answer it.
At this point, I don't really care about the answers to the survey that much. They are not all that revealing to me as they are simply the words of someone trying to get elected. Integrity does matter though.
What I do care about is a candidate (assuming you are a candidate) who can't answer a simple question with a simple and direct answer..
Character assassination right here on APC?
You guys have been in office for far too long.
10-23-2009, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
This questionnaire was done right out in the open for everyone to see.
Nobody was excluded. Every candidate had a chance to respond. It circulated for weeks. Some didn't like the questions so they chose to ignore it or answer in sound bites, safe in the knowledge that it would never appear on the DALPA forum. It was prohibited. That was their choice to be "excluded".
You guys didn't have any problem with it as long as it only existed as an obscure, hard to get and little noticed document circulating among a handful of "radicals".
Be honest.
Putting it out where lots of people will see it is what has you upset.
Especially using DALPA's own tightly controlled comm system.
Nobody was excluded. Every candidate had a chance to respond. It circulated for weeks. Some didn't like the questions so they chose to ignore it or answer in sound bites, safe in the knowledge that it would never appear on the DALPA forum. It was prohibited. That was their choice to be "excluded".
You guys didn't have any problem with it as long as it only existed as an obscure, hard to get and little noticed document circulating among a handful of "radicals".
Be honest.
Putting it out where lots of people will see it is what has you upset.
Especially using DALPA's own tightly controlled comm system.
Don't know if you are including me as one of "you guys," but "upset" is too strong a word. Maybe "annoyed" is better.
In another life, I worked for a marketing firm. Part of our training involved studying political surveys and picking out the fault in the questions--in essence, what made the surveys biased, and by extension flawed. This "survey" is full of examples that would have been very useful during that marketing training. I won't dissect it question by question, but a teenager should be able to recognize it for what it is.
Second, as my emphasis has been in this thread, the distribution method is suspect and if ACL is involved in that, he'd be best served by admitting that his part in it did not involve the best headwork. I don't think it was probably anything deliberate, just bad judgement.
It's Friday and I have the weekend off for a change. Why be upset?
It seems I am the one who is upsetting a few guys here, so I will return to my lurket status like I said I would do earlier. Have a good weekend all.
10-23-2009, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
It seems I am the one who is upsetting a few guys here, so I will return to my lurket status like I said I would do earlier. Have a good weekend all.
Things like facts and timelines are just an annoyance. But they really get upset when appearances are bad from the "other" side, go figure!
10-23-2009, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
In another life, I worked for a marketing firm. Part of our training involved studying political surveys and picking out the fault in the questions--in essence, what made the surveys biased, and by extension flawed. This "survey" is full of examples that would have been very useful during that marketing training. I won't dissect it question by question, but a teenager should be able to recognize it for what it is.
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10-23-2009, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
Check,
Don't know if you are including me as one of "you guys," but "upset" is too strong a word. Maybe "annoyed" is better.
In another life, I worked for a marketing firm. Part of our training involved studying political surveys and picking out the fault in the questions--in essence, what made the surveys biased, and by extension flawed. This "survey" is full of examples that would have been very useful during that marketing training. I won't dissect it question by question, but a teenager should be able to recognize it for what it is.
Second, as my emphasis has been in this thread, the distribution method is suspect and if ACL is involved in that, he'd be best served by admitting that his part in it did not involve the best headwork. I don't think it was probably anything deliberate, just bad judgement.
It's Friday and I have the weekend off for a change. Why be upset?
It seems I am the one who is upsetting a few guys here, so I will return to my lurket status like I said I would do earlier. Have a good weekend all.
Don't know if you are including me as one of "you guys," but "upset" is too strong a word. Maybe "annoyed" is better.
In another life, I worked for a marketing firm. Part of our training involved studying political surveys and picking out the fault in the questions--in essence, what made the surveys biased, and by extension flawed. This "survey" is full of examples that would have been very useful during that marketing training. I won't dissect it question by question, but a teenager should be able to recognize it for what it is.
Second, as my emphasis has been in this thread, the distribution method is suspect and if ACL is involved in that, he'd be best served by admitting that his part in it did not involve the best headwork. I don't think it was probably anything deliberate, just bad judgement.
It's Friday and I have the weekend off for a change. Why be upset?
It seems I am the one who is upsetting a few guys here, so I will return to my lurket status like I said I would do earlier. Have a good weekend all.
ACL was not the one that sent the email.
LD refused to participate, he was not left out.
10-23-2009, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Don't worry, MadDog. This forum doesn't like real debate. They just want their point of view to win the day. They don't really care how that happens! Things like facts and timelines are just an annoyance. But they really get upset when appearances are bad from the "other" side, go figure!
Things like facts and timelines are just an annoyance. But they really get upset when appearances are bad from the "other" side, go figure!Considering you have more posts than me, but have been on here less than half the time than I have. You seem to like the "debate."
10-23-2009, 01:20 PM
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RockyMtmadDog said:
"In another life, I worked for a marketing firm. Part of our training involved studying political surveys and picking out the fault in the questions--in essence, what made the surveys biased, and by extension flawed. This "survey" is full of examples that would have been very useful during that marketing training. I won't dissect it question by question, but a teenager should be able to recognize it for what it is."
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Did you mean just like our Wilson Polling surveys?
"In another life, I worked for a marketing firm. Part of our training involved studying political surveys and picking out the fault in the questions--in essence, what made the surveys biased, and by extension flawed. This "survey" is full of examples that would have been very useful during that marketing training. I won't dissect it question by question, but a teenager should be able to recognize it for what it is."
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Did you mean just like our Wilson Polling surveys?
10-23-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Don't worry, MadDog. This forum doesn't like real debate.
That's a wonderful idea!! Maybe we should take this to the MEC forum, where frank and open debate is always welcomed and even encouraged. Oh, wait. No it's not.
Don't taze me, bro.
10-23-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Seems the Moak Politburo does not take kindly to any outsiders using Kremlin resources to communicate with the peasants.
ACL65-
How could you dare think its OK to provide information to the voters?
Shame on you. Don't you realize the danger?
You have run afoul of slowplay. You have even brought out the great and powerful RockymtMaddog from his long slumber. These are powerful apparatchiks. They sit at the Premier's right hand.
It was nice knowing you acl. Send us a postcard from the gulag.
ACL65-
How could you dare think its OK to provide information to the voters?
Shame on you. Don't you realize the danger?
You have run afoul of slowplay. You have even brought out the great and powerful RockymtMaddog from his long slumber. These are powerful apparatchiks. They sit at the Premier's right hand.
It was nice knowing you acl. Send us a postcard from the gulag.
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