Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-23-2009, 01:40 PM
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What am I missing?
Were any ALPA regulations, laws, etc. broken? If so, which ones?
I believe that the questions did shed light on the candidates positions, regardless of the "slant" on the questions.
If ALPA feathers are ruffled because an "outside" source asked questions to the candidates, big deal, get over it. Bottom line, the questions are of an educational value to the pilot group.
One more thing. I've heard MEC members refer to the "minority" group of pilots. Yes, this web board does have the usual suspects on it, the regulars if you will. At the last 44 LEC meeting I heard one of the reps refer to the previous meeting "scope report card" one, as a concentrated effort by a goup of pilots. News flash - never met a single delta pilot that wants scoped relaxed further. Is that a minority issue? Truth hurts so here it goes, MOST DELTA PILOTS think our MEC Chair needs to go. And if that's not true then the Maddog captains are a rebellious bunch.
ALPA guidance for campaigns needs to be adhered to. Im not advocating anything different, if all is within the lines then everyone needs to relax. If this is the majority crying wolf then it's time to raise it up.
I believe that the questions did shed light on the candidates positions, regardless of the "slant" on the questions.
If ALPA feathers are ruffled because an "outside" source asked questions to the candidates, big deal, get over it. Bottom line, the questions are of an educational value to the pilot group.
One more thing. I've heard MEC members refer to the "minority" group of pilots. Yes, this web board does have the usual suspects on it, the regulars if you will. At the last 44 LEC meeting I heard one of the reps refer to the previous meeting "scope report card" one, as a concentrated effort by a goup of pilots. News flash - never met a single delta pilot that wants scoped relaxed further. Is that a minority issue? Truth hurts so here it goes, MOST DELTA PILOTS think our MEC Chair needs to go. And if that's not true then the Maddog captains are a rebellious bunch.
ALPA guidance for campaigns needs to be adhered to. Im not advocating anything different, if all is within the lines then everyone needs to relax. If this is the majority crying wolf then it's time to raise it up.
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10-23-2009, 01:58 PM
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10-23-2009, 02:54 PM
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This little spat is quite revealing.
Seems the Moak Politburo does not take kindly to any outsiders using Kremlin resources to communicate with the peasants.
ACL65-
How could you dare think its OK to provide information to the voters?
Shame on you. Don't you realize the danger?
You have run afoul of slowplay. You have even brought out the great and powerful RockymtMaddog from his long slumber. These are powerful apparatchiks. They sit at the Premier's right hand.
It was nice knowing you acl. Send us a postcard from the gulag.
Seems the Moak Politburo does not take kindly to any outsiders using Kremlin resources to communicate with the peasants.
ACL65-
How could you dare think its OK to provide information to the voters?
Shame on you. Don't you realize the danger?
You have run afoul of slowplay. You have even brought out the great and powerful RockymtMaddog from his long slumber. These are powerful apparatchiks. They sit at the Premier's right hand.
It was nice knowing you acl. Send us a postcard from the gulag.
I am not in 44 so I haven't seen the e-mail. The whole idea of this is pretty disgusting. Whichever candidate allowed that email to go out just showed he is not qualified to represent the pilots. It sounds like another party gets to push his political position under the guise of transparency with no accountability to anyone. Fortunately, the pilot group is much smarter than most people believe and will see through this stunt.
Is this the first time you have beaten your wife?
10-23-2009, 03:27 PM
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Where's Mine
I'm in 44 and I didn't get any email. So, where's mine?
10-23-2009, 03:28 PM
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I am not in 44 so I haven't seen the e-mail. The whole idea of this is pretty disgusting. Whichever candidate allowed that email to go out just showed he is not qualified to represent the pilots. It sounds like another party gets to push his political position under the guise of transparency with no accountability to anyone. Fortunately, the pilot group is much smarter than most people believe and will see through this stunt.
Is this the first time you have beaten your wife?
Is this the first time you have beaten your wife?
This is actually the first time I've seen a document like this put out by candidates- and it's one of the best things I've seen done. Pilots that I have flown with have asked me about the candidates. This is a great source.
At my previous airline they would simple field questions on the forum, which had a similar result... and there wasn't the almighty Buzz that patrolled the forum with his unionoid kool-aid. Busting into the threads and OHHH YEAAHHHH!!!
So what about this little document was so evil? Everyone was offered participation...
10-23-2009, 03:30 PM
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BTW-
What is with the "establishment" guys saying "it doesn't matter what my views are, I will represent whatever is best for Delta?" That is complete and utter BS. What is best for Delta is highly subjective to your personal views!
I don't know what fool started that, but it needs to end.
What is with the "establishment" guys saying "it doesn't matter what my views are, I will represent whatever is best for Delta?" That is complete and utter BS. What is best for Delta is highly subjective to your personal views!
I don't know what fool started that, but it needs to end.
10-23-2009, 03:31 PM
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Yawn.... is this over yet?
10-23-2009, 04:02 PM
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Heyas,
I can only agree. In council 20, the same sort of questionaire was circulated about. Candidates could answer, or not.
Everyone's letters wound up on ALPAWATCH. Despite some of the angst this site has caused, they would only post the campaign letters after permission from the candidate, and ALL OF THEM WERE, despite the fact that some of the candidates have taken a strong dislike of that very site.
Nu
I can only agree. In council 20, the same sort of questionaire was circulated about. Candidates could answer, or not.
Everyone's letters wound up on ALPAWATCH. Despite some of the angst this site has caused, they would only post the campaign letters after permission from the candidate, and ALL OF THEM WERE, despite the fact that some of the candidates have taken a strong dislike of that very site.
Nu
10-23-2009, 04:06 PM
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The "establishment guys" are angry that the normal "Brand B" crowd control isn't working any more, so another "hired gun" has materialized on the site.
Plus, they just found out that the antique store has finally run out of mimiograph paper, so there's going to be a delay while they get the old Guttenburg fired up to print the counter arguments.
Nu
10-23-2009, 04:41 PM
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I love it. Moak and his buddies are upset because someone actually communicated to the pilots. Just the fact that SOMEONE communicated with the line pilots is reason enough for me to vote for them. I'm sick of no communication from the reps so this was a good thing. It is very obvious to me that the current MEC is in overdrive trying to figure out how they can keep enough reps that are Moak friendly in place. I'll give Moak credit for doing a great job with alot of things, but it's time for someone new to lead us through 2012.
The babies that are crying over this need to realize that we don't want what they have been doing the last year and we are going to vote accordingly. If they wanted to stay, they should have listened over a year ago and done what their constituents wanted. They didn't, and they need to be replaced with people who will listen.
The babies that are crying over this need to realize that we don't want what they have been doing the last year and we are going to vote accordingly. If they wanted to stay, they should have listened over a year ago and done what their constituents wanted. They didn't, and they need to be replaced with people who will listen.
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