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Old 08-15-2014, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
"The large carriers, like Delta, have good mature contracts and they only need to deal on the margins which is a bid deal for the pilot but not that big to the bottom line... like what's 5 cents?"

Sound like negotiating on our behalf, hey Wall Street, pilots are good, don't need much!

Better idea is to say:
Isn't that what he should be saying to Wall St.? "Nothing to see here, keep investing in airlines." Isn't a favorable opinion from investors a good thing? Kind of hard for the company to argue Wall St. won't like labor cost increases when the stock price keeps going up. It's spin, no doubt, but hardly negotiating.

Look who the audience is. How would it benefit us for the head of ALPA to antagonize investors?
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
The issue is that by making statements like that, he at best does nothing to help our leverage while at worst hurts our leverage.
I agree. I don't see how Moak's statements in this particular interview were helpful to us in any way.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
A quick look at the last two weeks of AUG shows no stacking of reserves on weekends. The distribution is fairly equal. If they only require 15 and they have 50 it will be very easy to move your off days and get the weekend off. When SEP is posted in DBMS you can get a overview of the entire month.
Edit: SEP is posted. The reserve distribution is fairly even. They do have a small surplus every day so make sure your request to move x days is in the computer for the first round of swaps. The most they have on any one day is 19 and the average is probably about 15.
Thanks Sailing. I went and checked DBMS and they are showing 19 avail and 17 req'd for the day I'm trying to get off. What I don't understand is why only 19 avail? The Sep wide report shows 57 pilots on reserve that day.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3 View Post
There isn't a requirement to check said schedule on an off day correct? So if it's on your schedule and don't "self notify" on your off day, which you aren't required to do, what happened to the pairing at 0000on your first on call day?
1) Scheduling calls you at 0000 or some time afterward to notify you of said trip and you then have 12hrs to show (long call window)
2) Scheduling removes the trip since no "self notification" and your still sitting 12hr long call
3) Scheduling calls you and notifies you @ 0000 or sometime afterwards and you are on the hook for trip that duty's in @1000 b/c you just got your 10hrs of uninterrupted rest

If option three is correct how does this affect your duty day? You went on long call at 0000 so you are no longer considered @ rest, but they put you on 10hr rest after the notification. Either way I would think it affects your duty period for that day?

Thanks for clarifying....I just got reserve for Sept. and haven't been on reserve in 6.5yrs!!
Look at section 23 S.5.e.2.b. I think that can be interpreted as a schedule check by 1500 on you last nonfly day if it's not a vacation day.

Tell me what you think.

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Old 08-15-2014, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
Look at section 23 S.5.e.2.b. I think that can be interpreted as a schedule check by 1500 on you last nonfly day if it's not a vacation day.

Tell me what you think.

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Denny is correct.
There are still 2 required schedule checks. After block in from a trip and after 1500 on your last non-fly day. (unless its a vacation day)

Those are the two situations where they don't have to call you. You have to "self-notify".
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rooster435 View Post
Thanks Sailing. I went and checked DBMS and they are showing 19 avail and 17 req'd for the day I'm trying to get off. What I don't understand is why only 19 avail? The Sep wide report shows 57 pilots on reserve that day.
I would call the ALPA scheduling committee guys and ask them to look at it. Based on your post, something is off somewhere. Let us know what they say.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
Isn't that what he should be saying to Wall St.? "Nothing to see here, keep investing in airlines." Isn't a favorable opinion from investors a good thing? Kind of hard for the company to argue Wall St. won't like labor cost increases when the stock price keeps going up. It's spin, no doubt, but hardly negotiating.
Just say nothing about our contracts.

Just focus on the multitude of profitable airlines and that the pilots are proud to work hard and make that possible and we're very proud of all that we have accomplished.

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How would it benefit us for the head of ALPA to antagonize investors?
Red herring.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
sinca -

Denny is correct.
There are still 2 required schedule checks. After block in from a trip and after 1500 on your last non-fly day. (unless its a vacation day)

Those are the two situations where they don't have to call you. You have to "self-notify".

Sorry but I think you and Denny are wrong. The 117 LOA removed the schedule check after 1500 on your last off day. Only required schedule check in the contract is after block in from a rotation.

They left the part where scheduling has to post something by 1500 but removed the pilot requirement to check your schedule. Used to be by 2 a.m. of your first on call day but that whole section was removed.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly View Post
I would call the ALPA scheduling committee guys and ask them to look at it. Based on your post, something is off somewhere. Let us know what they say.
Also take a look at Sections 23.I.7 and 23.I.8.a of the PWA to see if your request for moving days touches a company holiday.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hookshot123 View Post
Sorry but I think you and Denny are wrong. The 117 LOA removed the schedule check after 1500 on your last off day. Only required schedule check in the contract is after block in from a rotation.

They left the part where scheduling has to post something by 1500 but removed the pilot requirement to check your schedule. Used to be by 2 a.m. of your first on call day but that whole section was removed.
Okay. But read 23.S.5.e.2.b

Electronic placement on your schedule counts as notification.
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