Originally Posted by sailingfun

Anyone notice a flight attendant was just put in charge of negotiating the next pilot contract?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Ah. So this is going to be like choosing your meals on an international flight? Put your 3 favorite choices down:

1. Steak
2. Chicken
3. Pasta

And you get... Tofu with baby carrots.

Originally Posted by MD88Driver

Sailing fun, not trying to pick a fight but those numbers have zero supporting documentation. Maybe it's buried somewhere in the website I didn't see. Does this account for:

International ops that require 3-4 crew members
Mil leave (Delta must have a higher% than carriers such as Frontier)
Training, special assignment, 4th floor, manager etc. pilots supporting the operation
Sick leave pilots
Any adjustment for our diff fleet types versus SWA and others
Our more mature (cough old farts) pilot ranks
There's much more considerations but I'm just not that smart...

Thanks for posting nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Howgozit

I was glancing through the new F.O.M. revision and it looks like long sleeves are authorized as summer uniform! I think I am going to get one and do a preflight with a flashlight during the day to give captains a heart attack.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Anyone notice a flight attendant was just put in charge of negotiating the next pilot contract?

Originally Posted by sailingfun

To correct the above JS did not start as a flight attendant. She was a outside hire from DHL who went through flight attendant training to try and be a better supervisor.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

These post retirement consultant gigs are the best deals in the World. Spout off your opinion, be responsible for nothing and do even less.

Come to think of it; Carl! Carl ? CARRRYL! Someone find Carl and tell him we got a opening for 747 Captain consultants.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Does any of the above matter? They were posted as a reference to where we are relative to the past for work rules.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Just to put some reality into the hours worked here are some numbers. The average Delta pilot flew in the 40 to 42 hour a month range from 200o to 2005. Post chapter 11 that jumped to 52 hours or almost 20 percent more. That number has slowly dropped as we incrementally gained improvements. In 2013 the number was 41.9 hours up slightly from 2012.

Originally Posted by Scoop

Warning - Public Math and crude estimates follow:

The Contract 2015, Delta Pilots Contract history that we received lists the following for Block Hours flown:


DAL in 2000 - 2,269,404 Block hours flown. *
NW in 2000 - 1,487,463 Block hours flown. **

Using 10,000 Pilots at DAL you get about 227 hours per Pilot.
Using 7000 Pilots at NW you get about 212 hours per Pilot.

You can multiply these numbers by 2 and get 454 and 424 average block time respectively in 2000.

DAL combined in 2012 flew 2,642,225 Block hours.

Using 11,500 Pilots you get about 230 block hours per Pilot.

Multiplying by 2 you get 460 average block time per Pilot.

Note - I am estimating the number of total pilots for each of these snapshots. 10,000 was pretty much dead on for DAL in 2000, and 11,500 is close to what we had in 2012.

7000 for NW in 2000 was a total guess. If anyone has more accurate numbers they can recalculate more accurate numbers.

You can tweak these numbers any way you like - I am not taking into account any MIL leaves, Sick, LOA, augmented crews etc - that is beyond my knowledge level.

* From page 6.
** From page 8

These numbers differ from the block hours listed on page 3 (although they are very close) which considering it is all the same document does not really inspire confidence.

I think the big takeaway here is how much the combined DAL has shrunk since the merger - total bummer. Although, to be fair most of that "shrinkage" had already occurred by 2007 when the combined block hour total was approximately 3,000,000.

Scoop