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Old 09-03-2014, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
True. However I could see it if (big if) we thought a large HNL hub would be in our long term interests. If that were the case it could be a smart acquisition. Its either there or Guam to have the kind of hub we want anywhere in the region if Japan refuses to play ball and effectively locks us out of HND, which all signs point to being the case.

They do seem expensive and the Yen issue is something to consider. Perfect fleet mix though. I think it all hinges on the geographic fit to the long term master plan (if any).

Yeah I guess. The main thing we would get from them we could get on our own anyway really. From our perspective it would be a nice shot of adrenaline to get them instantly, but like Seattle, if a HNL hub made sense, we could go in there tomorrow and start a "Win in Honolulu" type buildup. You are right though that getting access to HND and the 330/717s would be a nice shot, but the geographical puzzle piece is easy to get without leveraging ourselves.
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
The insiders have made the deal to trade our profit sharing for hourly increases. We trade a dollar for 4 quarters and DALPA declares victory. Then the selling machine and another cost neutral jam down.

If we reduce profit sharing it is game over. C2015 will be a repeat of C2012 and completely cost neutral. If we can hold the line and keep profit sharing, we cannot fail.

The most important part of your survey is to protect profit sharing and move it off the table.

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SPAM. You posted this on the contract thread.
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SPAM. You posted this on the contract thread.
There is just no fooling an intellectual like you.
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
The insiders have made the deal to trade our profit sharing for hourly increases. We trade a dollar for 4 quarters and DALPA declares victory. Then the selling machine and another cost neutral jam down.

If we reduce profit sharing it is game over. C2015 will be a repeat of C2012 and completely cost neutral. If we can hold the line and keep profit sharing, we cannot fail.

The most important part of your survey is to protect profit sharing and move it off the table.

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If we could monetize the profit sharing at this years profit level it would be incredibly stupid not to do so. The company is highly unlikely to go for that deal.
There have however been no discussions with the company on profit sharing or about a early contract opening contrary to your posts.
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If we could monetize the profit sharing at this years profit level it would be incredibly stupid not to do so. The company is highly unlikely to go for that deal.
There have however been no discussions with the company on profit sharing or about a early contract opening contrary to your posts.
If you give up $25,000 in profit sharing and get a $25,000 pay increase, how much did you gain?

You are stuck in the past. The air line industry has changed forever.

Our profit in 2015 will exceed $5.5 billion and the economy is just getting started.

Why make concessions?

We need a minimum of 25% date of signing along with major improvements in every section of the PWA.

Sorry Lee Moak. I know that hurts your management loving ears.
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Anyone else have the answers pre-loaded on the survey?
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
There is just no fooling an intellectual like you.
Yeah Jerry. you got me.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
If we could monetize the profit sharing at this years profit level it would be incredibly stupid not to do so. The company is highly unlikely to go for that deal.
There have however been no discussions with the company on profit sharing or about a early contract opening contrary to your posts.
Only if it is above and beyond what we can get in a pay increase without it. Other than that, I agree with Jerry. It should be off the table. For the life of any contract we are about to negotiate, profits are going to be in the cards. Delta IS going to make big profit$. Delta's profit for the next 5 years or so is gonna be off the charts. Now on the NEXT contract, it should be examined, and it would be stupid not to. Once it's gone though, it's gone forever. I'll happily take the chance on this one, and reevaluate it on the next.
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
If you give up $25,000 in profit sharing and get a $25,000 pay increase, how much did you gain?

You are stuck in the past. The air line industry has changed forever.

Our profit in 2015 will exceed $5.5 billion and the economy is just getting started.

Why make concessions?

We need a minimum of 25% date of signing along with major improvements in every section of the PWA.

Sorry Lee Moak. I know that hurts your management loving ears.
If you lock in 25,000 verses a possibility of 25,000 that is a big gain. Delta is now returning yields in line with most companies. It's not likely those yields will go much if any higher. More capacity will flow into the market place preventing that. It's far more likely that Over the next 10 years profits will drop. If they can maintain the yields for a profit increase they will need to expand which means more employees and the same amount of profit sharing per employee.
Again if tomorrow Delta offered a 14% raise to end the profit sharing we should jump all over it. They won't offer it however because it would not be a good deal for management.

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Why make concessions?
Why then did you propose about a week ago that we should give a productivity concession for increased pay?
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