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Old 09-03-2014 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
That's impossible. Donatelli himself promised an "historic" contract for C15.
Its gonna be historic. We've never had a C15.
Old 09-03-2014 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I am a no vote for any decrease in profit sharing. Same for any pay banding scheme. Out.
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Old 09-03-2014 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I heard that last sentence at least 3 different times in my career.
We best get while the getting is good. If something catastrophic happens, management will not walk but run to bankruptcy court again. Now is the time to fill up the tank.

Profit sharing was sold as a means to share in the success of the company and motivator to work hard and rebuild. The second the profit sharing actually starts paying dividends guys like you are talking about horse trading it at a discount. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Old 09-03-2014 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
Could be why no displacements yet on the AE
Saw one of them at TOC in the hangar tonight. Was wondering if it was in for an exit check or not.
Old 09-03-2014 | 06:27 PM
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Well, what are your predictions?
Old 09-03-2014 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
So this is how you invest your retirement?

Are you willing to bet your nest egg and our next contract on the fact that you "believe that DAL is gonna make good money going forward for any time frame that will involve our contract."

Have you looked at our stock lately?

I mean realllllyy looked at it on a fundamental and technical basis?

Tell us after you go look at a halfway respectable chart, when was the last high? What is the current trend, being that you say you actually look at them, on price and volume?

Here is my point. Stock is an asset that goes up and goes down. The science is buying and selling at the proper time.

Same can be said for profit sharing and hourly pay. First, profit sharing is not to be considered into pay. It is a bonus. Those around here that like to add it to a pay rate and claim higher hourly compensation are delusional.

In that line of reasoning, are these same people going to realize a pay cut to their hourly rates when profit sharing dips or evaporates?

Don't get me wrong. Currently I enjoy my yearly profit sharing bonus.

Point is: Going forward, I would prefer to see a substantial increase in contractually determined pay rates with status quo on profit sharing. No need to trade it for rates as we did before. No need to hope that Delta will continue to do well so that your extra check on Valentines Day shows up.

Profitability can be fleeting. Think anything. ISIS, Ebola, full on Putin Ukraine invasion, Islamic extremist attacks on oil supply/& or Hormuz. You get the point as we could go over scenarios for days.
You're right. I should invest in Mason jars and bury it in the backyard. Some of your post I agree with, but most of it is just noise.

And I was not giving investment advice, just offering an opinion on where I think DAL is going. I even said (I believe) YMMV. To that I'll add DYODD. I appreciate your lesson in investment 101 too.
Old 09-03-2014 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The end game for these islamic fundamentalists is not jihad or world domination.

They're just using those as a cover to get what they really want... experience to eventually run their own airline.
Old 09-03-2014 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I am a no vote for any decrease in profit sharing. Same for any pay banding scheme. Out.
Dude I saw you finally can stop commuting in oct! Congrats!
Old 09-03-2014 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
2016 8%
2017 3%
2018 2%
2019 2%
2020 2%

Profit sharing reduced.

Limited CDOs.

Reduced 50 seaters in exchange for increased 76 seaters but limit to 400 DCI jets.
^^^^FTB!! Now that is some funny stuff!!! Ooops, I said the same thing when 4833 came around back in 2011.

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Old 09-03-2014 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Every group that did not have their job or entire department eliminated and recreated at delta global services!
That is a (partially) valid point regarding what I said about the pre BK pay for all groups. But the pilots too have lost a great deal of jobs over the years to DCI, DGS, AS, JV imbalances and work rule/staffing concessions, in addition to the pay cuts, and are still the group percentage wise the furthest behind in restoration regarding pay.

But if all the other work groups that are still "at the mainline" have been restored to pre-BK pay, then we need to get the megaphones ready for any incendary Bolshevik-provocateur McKensie/Ford&Harrison "me-too!" nonsense because that dog don't hunt. Period. They say "me-too!" we say, respectfully that's our point.

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