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Old 09-04-2014 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Put 1 vote in the no column then.....
So if we see a 25% raise on day one but have SDP's I should vote no? I don't want to have to make the decision to vote yes on a contract that is otherwise good but has SDP's snuck in. We shouldn't even have anything about those in the survey or in C2015. I thought they already figured out we didn't want those. They keep coming up because the company really wants them.
Old 09-04-2014 | 07:39 AM
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Perfect example of how we should act when company comes after profit sharing...

Old 09-04-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
So if we see a 25% raise on day one but have SDP's I should vote no? I don't want to have to make the decision to vote yes on a contract that is otherwise good but has SDP's snuck in. We shouldn't even have anything about those in the survey or in C2015. I thought they already figured out we didn't want those. They keep coming up because the company really wants them.
You nailed it. This is how the insiders operate. They know they can sell C2015 with threats and false promises.

Im 100% sure CDOs will be in C2015.
Old 09-04-2014 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
The value of their recovery is fixed. I don't know the exact share price it was fixed at, but that was much closer to when we exited bankruptcy. What they did with the stock after that does not change their recovery. I don't know if they held onto the stock or liquidated it. Either way it won't affect our PC-5 benefits.
That's highly unfortunate.
It means they calculated the recovery based on a stock price in the teens.
What's it today? Right around $40? Ouch.

The hits just keep on comin' for us deadzoners.
Old 09-04-2014 | 07:48 AM
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I know there are still a few days before the AE bid closes, but I'm a low 11,XXX seniority # and there are only 17 pilots senior to me with a bid in for NYC717A. At this rate we might have 717 street Captains.
Old 09-04-2014 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Well, here's some good news, bad news, so-so news.



Good news: we've purchased four of Singapore's 747-400's.

Bad news: we're using them for parts.

So-so news: wouldn't have done that if we were planning on dumping the entire fleet in the near term.



Also, the first 3 that are leaving this month are leased and will be returned to the lessor. The last of the four (ship 6301) is owned by Delta and will be sent to the desert, but preserved and covered for possible re-introduction.



That's all I know.



Carl

Interesting. Thanks Carl!
Old 09-04-2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Actually a correction to your so so news. The Singapore jets have the same series engines as the 767er. The engines will be rebuilt, but used as 767 engines afterward. The acquisition/part out has nothing to do with our continued keeping of 747s.

Boo, hiss.
Old 09-04-2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
I know there are still a few days before the AE bid closes, but I'm a low 11,XXX seniority # and there are only 17 pilots senior to me with a bid in for NYC717A. At this rate we might have 717 street Captains.
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
Old 09-04-2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
So if we see a 25% raise on day one but have SDP's I should vote no? I don't want to have to make the decision to vote yes on a contract that is otherwise good but has SDP's snuck in. We shouldn't even have anything about those in the survey or in C2015. I thought they already figured out we didn't want those. They keep coming up because the company really wants them.
I couldn't care less how you vote. I don't like them, I don't want that camel in our tent. For me, it is a one issue item. It is the only one I have ever had, and I probably wouldn't even be talking about them if they didn't keep coming up on these forums. To me... for me... they are unsafe (unless, as I said they are so onerous that the company wouldn't want them and they would be barely recognizable as a SDP).

YMMV Vote what is best for YOU.
Old 09-04-2014 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
Makes sense. I guess I should know that by now. I'm still figuring out how to read my paystub & PBS
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