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Old 09-04-2014, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067 View Post
I know there are still a few days before the AE bid closes, but I'm a low 11,XXX seniority # and there are only 17 pilots senior to me with a bid in for NYC717A. At this rate we might have 717 street Captains.
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:01 AM
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So if we see a 25% raise on day one but have SDP's I should vote no? I don't want to have to make the decision to vote yes on a contract that is otherwise good but has SDP's snuck in. We shouldn't even have anything about those in the survey or in C2015. I thought they already figured out we didn't want those. They keep coming up because the company really wants them.
I couldn't care less how you vote. I don't like them, I don't want that camel in our tent. For me, it is a one issue item. It is the only one I have ever had, and I probably wouldn't even be talking about them if they didn't keep coming up on these forums. To me... for me... they are unsafe (unless, as I said they are so onerous that the company wouldn't want them and they would be barely recognizable as a SDP).

YMMV Vote what is best for YOU.
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
Makes sense. I guess I should know that by now. I'm still figuring out how to read my paystub & PBS
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
Or ###A at 30%... ###A at 50%.... and so on then 717.
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:41 AM
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How do the additional 5 Virgin U.S. routes affect our JV scope language?

Has DALPA put anything out on this?
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
You nailed it. This is how the insiders operate. They know they can sell C2015 with threats and false promises.

Im 100% sure CDOs will be in C2015.
I hope so!

I liked them when I flew them on two different fleets. I would bid them if they were available. Putting them in the survey would be a good idea for gauging pilot preference.

Just curious; have you ever seen your personal opinions validated by the pilot group in a vote? I can't remember a membership ratification vote where your plea for "vote no" was held by anywhere near a majority of your fellow pilots.

I think you were even among the 12% that voted no to the unilateral pay increases in 2003/04. Is that correct?
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
How do the additional 5 Virgin U.S. routes affect our JV scope language?

Has DALPA put anything out on this?
Do we have any virgin JV language?
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
Put 1 vote in the no column then.....
Putting 1 in every column doesnt work. I tried
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak View Post
I hope so!

I liked them when I flew them on two different fleets. I would bid them if they were available. Putting them in the survey would be a good idea for gauging pilot preference.

Just curious; have you ever seen your personal opinions validated by the pilot group in a vote? I can't remember a membership ratification vote where your plea for "vote no" was held by anywhere near a majority of your fellow pilots.

I think you were even among the 12% that voted no to the unilateral pay increases in 2003/04. Is that correct?
...speaking of agendas....
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
That "senior to me" number can be highly misleading.

NYC717A might be their 3rd or 4th choice after what are essentially throw away bids. (747A, 777A, etc.)
It's my 7th or 8th choice.
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