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Old 02-08-2015 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
How did you come up with that?


First, there is no category with an ALV of 80 hrs in March, unless they changed it (according to the bid packet I use). But if the ALV was 80 hrs, reserve guarantee would be 78 hrs (2 hrs less of ALV).

Second, you have 4 days vacation so there is 26 days of possible reserve days for March, which equates to 10 "X" days and 16 days of reserve. You are credited already with 13 hrs. If you fly zero to 65 hrs in March, you get the reserve guarantee of 78. If you fly over 65 hrs in March, you get paid on top of reserve guarantee.

Now a different game. You get a line. Vacation, while bidding, counts as time and credit (can only bid a line up to 87:30 and you have 13 hrs already credit). Once bidding is over, vacation is credit only now. So if you fly 70 hrs in March, your credit is 83 hrs.

Example (this happened to me in Nov): 2 weeks vacation (45:30 hrs credit) Bid a 3 day trip worth 26 hrs, so my Nov month was 71:30. After bidding was over, I dropped the 3 day trip and picked up a 10 day trip worth 62 hrs. Nov total was 107:30 (62 + 45:30)

Clear as mud?

Crewdawg,

The Bolded sentence above is incorrect. 78 is the guarantee before the vacation adjustment is taken into account. On reserve a week of vacation will raise your guarantee about 4-5 hours and two weeks of vacation will raise your guarantee about 8-10 hours.

In this case I put 4 days of vacation into the reserve calculator and the exact guarantee would be 80:36 or an increase of 2:36 above standard.

As far as no category having an ALV of 80 - I have no idea, I was just responding with the information the original poster provided.

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Old 02-08-2015 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by blue vortex
Something for SD and AH (et al) to ponder regarding sick use... according to the CDC Flu View website the Flu cases in the 2014-15 season are running 5 times that of the 2011-12 season. Going to discuss this with my rep.
So the flu rate is higher at Delta than it is at the other airlines?

We can argue about the reasons, but the fact remains that Delta pilots sick out at a rate way above the industry average.
Old 02-08-2015 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
So the flu rate is higher at Delta than it is at the other airlines?

We can argue about the reasons, but the fact remains that Delta pilots sick out at a rate way above the industry average.
What's United's average? I guess those numbers are readily available since we are being compared to them and American. Curious what their rate is...heck, I wonder where on our site it shows what our rate at Delta is. That must be easy to find since we are able to know what other airline rates are as well. I mean if it's a fact then we must have some data, right?
Old 02-08-2015 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
What's United's average? I guess those numbers are readily available since we are being compared to them and American. Curious what their rate is...heck, I wonder where on our site it shows what our rate at Delta is. That must be easy to find since we are able to know what other airline rates are as well. I mean if it's a fact then we must have some data, right?
Always be weary of data selectively provided to affect change benefiting another.
Old 02-08-2015 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Crewdawg,

The Bolded sentence above is incorrect. 78 is the guarantee before the vacation adjustment is taken into account. On reserve a week of vacation will raise your guarantee about 4-5 hours and two weeks of vacation will raise your guarantee about 8-10 hours.

In this case I put 4 days of vacation into the reserve calculator and the exact guarantee would be 80:36 or an increase of 2:36 above standard.

As far as no category having an ALV of 80 - I have no idea, I was just responding with the information the original poster provided.

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Still dont know how you came up with 80:36. Been sitting reserve a while. Know what happens........... Oh well. Not gonna make much of it. But I disagree with your logic.
Old 02-08-2015 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
the fact remains that Delta pilots sick out at a rate way above the industry average.
"Fact?" You puke out an unproven and unqualified claim, and call it a "fact?"

I smell a rat. Are you management or DALPA?
Old 02-08-2015 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Still dont know how you came up with 80:36. Been sitting reserve a while. Know what happens........... Oh well. Not gonna make much of it. But I disagree with your logic.

His logic is correct. You make above the reserve guarantee if you have vacation that month. There is a website run by a Delta guy that has a spreadsheet that can help you figure this out.

I do reserve in vacation months. Here is my info from last time I did reserve. I had 2 weeks of vacation in a 31 day month with a 72 hour reserve guarantee. The basics are the 14 days value based on the guarentee are replaced by the value of your 14 days of vacation. So in this example the 45:30 of vacation replaced the 32:30ish of reserve value. Net gain is 13:00 hours of pay for 85 hours of pay and you sit 9 days of reserve.

I can PM you the website if you would like to see it. It has a lot of helpful information in it.
Old 02-08-2015 | 04:54 PM
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Man, I can think of 5 different ways to measure sick pay usage.

1. Number of sick calls
2. Number of trips dropped for sick
3. Percentage of total credit hours that are paid as sick
4. Days of sick leave taken
5. Reserve utilization

I have a hard time believing any or all of those can be measured comparatively with other airlines. I've never seen American's or United's data published. Has anyone else?

Color me skeptical.
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And what's different about our sick-leave language versus UAL's, AA's .... hmmm?
Old 02-08-2015 | 05:15 PM
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Are other airlines contractually rewarded for unused sick leave?

No reward= sick out for all marginal situations
Reward= some will fly sick
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