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Old 09-16-2014 | 11:02 AM
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If you didn't read the rotation construction committee email, go retrieve it from your trash bin. It is pretty dang funny. One mans trash is another mans treasure.


Oh, and thanks guys for all the Garmisch and Salzburg info. We are wading through the already too long to accomplish list.
Old 09-16-2014 | 11:05 AM
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Old 09-16-2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by index
You are absolutely correct. It's amazing the number of pilots that don't understand this is the net effect, i.e. selling back vacation.

In fact, as you pointed out, every pilot effectively has the "option" of selling back 100% of his vacation---the net effect on manning is MUCH, MUCH worse than when pilots could sell only 50% back.
Unfortunately they do know the effect, they don't care...it's the entire green slip mentality. Always thought it was strange when some reps would say "one of the jobs is to protect the pilots from themselves" this is a good example.
Old 09-16-2014 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
If you didn't read the rotation construction committee email, go retrieve it from your trash bin. It is pretty dang funny. One mans trash is another mans treasure.
It was pure gold. I especially love the part where they explain that the union doesn't actually buy airplanes or make route decisions.
Old 09-16-2014 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
In my opinion, this was another problem with CDO's. What happens with one when no one wants it? It goes to a reserve. It's not right to dump this on a reserve who has no say about it. For some of us, reserve is not a choice.

I'm still a strong no. If a reserve can refuse the assignment with no penalty, that would be an improvement.

I spoke with a LEC rep, not mine. He said that the reason the CDO question was even on the survey was to mollify a small, vocal group that was in favor of them. DALPA was hoping for a strong no response. If the got they got a strong no response, they could tell the vocal group to pound sand. He said the Company didn't want them, but would take them it they could get them.

I told the rep that we had already risen up and spoken against them with a roar. If this information is true, this minority lobbying for CDO's needs to go away.
You might want to question this Reps motives. This MEC works on majority rule. The minority has been reminded numerous times if they want their position to prevail to convince and win consensus, or otherwise respect the will of the majority.

Now suddenly the majority decides to mollify the minority by putting a controversial issue in the survey? Doesn't pass the sniff test. Sounds more like scapegoating someone else's position.

I have a copy of an email from a C20 member to the MEC Chair over the original CDO language and the Chairman's response that it did not originate with C20, yet now it's in the survey because of a noisy minority?

Here's a clue - it likely was a noisy minority - of appointed long time Moak associates who still work in the inner circle of the MEC who don't need no stinkin' Democracy. Clearly not the will of elected voting majority, or minority.

One of the anointed will be in DTW tomorrow for the C2015 roadshows maybe someone should ask him and the Chairman, and one of the negotiators directly and publicly how the language needed up in the survey.

Maybe they were just honoring the will of the Company?
Old 09-16-2014 | 11:32 AM
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Old 09-16-2014 | 11:36 AM
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Never mind

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Old 09-16-2014 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
If you didn't read the rotation construction committee email, go retrieve it from your trash bin. It is pretty dang funny. One mans trash is another mans treasure.
I did get a chuckle out of it too. I couldn't figure out from the letter, but do we have 51% commuters (seems high) or that 51% who responded are commuters (makes more sense)

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Old 09-16-2014 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The guys who wanted CDOs did the required legwork. They filed a resolution and then they got organized and went to their LEC meeting and got it passed.
This is the number one problem with our current system. Literally a dozen guys that go to an lec meeting can determine the agenda for several thousand pilots.

In this age of sophisticated communication capabilites, there is absolutely no reason for this to occur in a group of over 12000... other than to insure top-down leadership. This goes hand-in-hand with current reps not wanting a 7 day comment period for all LOA's/MOU's.

I'm no longer sure why we even vote on contracts, since it's going to change many times during its life... without any say by the membership whatsoever.

Back to my coloring...

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Old 09-16-2014 | 11:59 AM
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It used to be a '76 out of DFW, full every day. Them planners is wizards I tell ya'.
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