Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-12-2014, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I would hardly call a flight ops base manager management unless were talking about Angie in NY!
This situation is troubling.
I've had conversations with my rep that I don't want management to know about.
In any case, we'll know if this would be problematic for pilots by the number management and/or DALPA types here who downplay the risk of this situation (see sailing fun's post above).
09-12-2014, 02:13 PM
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Personally I think they should offer an ER package and target anyone hired prior to '07. Who's with me?
09-12-2014, 02:16 PM
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Ok, I see some irony in the post above, (2 posts) but I will wait for someone else to point it out. Bueller? Bueller?
09-12-2014, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Personally I think they should offer an ER package and target anyone hired prior to '07. Who's with me?
09-12-2014, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
It should target ONLY '07 hires. Remember...everyone hates them.
09-12-2014, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Far more important would be the impact on category block hours if we allow a micro base if how the company wants it staffed is true. The model they want is identical to the flight attendant mini bases. A micro base is simply not cost effective under the current contract. You would have to carry far to many reserves. If you did not need reserves now it's a new ball game. Start talking to your reps.
The FA AFPs have no reserve coverage from what I understand. If you get sick, you have to find your own replacement.
I don't see pilots going for that though. But I could see a pilot microbase having no reserves on their own and having written into the contract DHs on both ends of the trip.
Pros for the company is having no reserve coverage needed for that micro-base, which on a widebody with 3 and 4 man trips is a lot of reserves that don't fly. Second, they now have 24-36 hours notice of someone calling in sick for a trip (because everything starts with a DH and a hotel), so they can put it out for a WS far before it needs to go to a Res or as GS. You put the reserves on SC in Atlanta and DH them where they are needed in time for the trip.
Pros for the pilots are that all trips start and end with a DH, which is what the commuting widebody guys would love. A con for the pilots, and this is a biiggg one, is that you knock off a larger precentage of the widebody spots because many fewer reserves are needed. I could see a 50% reduction in Reserves needed.
It stagnates the whole list for a long time.
09-12-2014, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
That's exactly what I thought it would be modeled after.
The FA AFPs have no reserve coverage from what I understand. If you get sick, you have to find your own replacement.
I don't see pilots going for that though. But I could see a pilot microbase having no reserves on their own and having written into the contract DHs on both ends of the trip.
Pros for the company is having no reserve coverage needed for that micro-base, which on a widebody with 3 and 4 man trips is a lot of reserves that don't fly. Second, they now have 24-36 hours notice of someone calling in sick for a trip (because everything starts with a DH and a hotel), so they can put it out for a WS far before it needs to go to a Res or as GS. You put the reserves on SC in Atlanta and DH them where they are needed in time for the trip.
Pros for the pilots are that all trips start and end with a DH, which is what the commuting widebody guys would love. A con for the pilots, and this is a biiggg one, is that you knock off a larger precentage of the widebody spots because many fewer reserves are needed. I could see a 50% reduction in Reserves needed.
It stagnates the whole list for a long time.
The FA AFPs have no reserve coverage from what I understand. If you get sick, you have to find your own replacement.
I don't see pilots going for that though. But I could see a pilot microbase having no reserves on their own and having written into the contract DHs on both ends of the trip.
Pros for the company is having no reserve coverage needed for that micro-base, which on a widebody with 3 and 4 man trips is a lot of reserves that don't fly. Second, they now have 24-36 hours notice of someone calling in sick for a trip (because everything starts with a DH and a hotel), so they can put it out for a WS far before it needs to go to a Res or as GS. You put the reserves on SC in Atlanta and DH them where they are needed in time for the trip.
Pros for the pilots are that all trips start and end with a DH, which is what the commuting widebody guys would love. A con for the pilots, and this is a biiggg one, is that you knock off a larger precentage of the widebody spots because many fewer reserves are needed. I could see a 50% reduction in Reserves needed.
It stagnates the whole list for a long time.
09-12-2014, 03:05 PM
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If I was a 744 A I wouldn't take any early out.
09-12-2014, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright
I don't get it. If every trip starts/ends with a DH, how is it a micro base? That's the same thing the 330 guys are doing now out of NYC and MSP.
i.e. No DH from ATL up to MSP or vice versa when there are people who live there that would do it.
Sounds like very little in it for the pilots.
09-12-2014, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
If I was a 744 A I wouldn't take any early out.
They won't, unless they are within a year. The 777 guys on the other hand would be stupid not to take it.
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