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Old 09-16-2014 | 06:47 AM
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Just got the text msg. F/Os up.
Old 09-16-2014 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
CDOs have no place in major airline ops. They are onerous at best. And if allowed, will have a ripple effect throughout the bid packages as trips are changed to allow for the CDOs. We need to protect what we have, for example; Some people want to sell their vacations... should we permit that? Just for those who want to? Would it affect others?
We had a 50% vacation sell back in our 1996 contract, and the senior guys sold it back, stagnating the movement of the junior guys.

There was much outcry, so we got rid of it in C2K.

But what we have today with PBS 100% vacation sell back! In every vacation month, after the bid run your vacation time goes away (off your max pickup), so you can white slip a trip to 'replace' 100% of your vacation time, in effect, you just sold it all back.

If you want to hear the company (and many pilots) really scream, just tell them you want to eliminate that feature in C2015!
Old 09-16-2014 | 07:16 AM
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Old 09-16-2014 | 07:23 AM
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Have CQ coming up and the FO has a Z next to the sim type. IE: 601Z. Any ideas what that means?
Old 09-16-2014 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
CDOs have no place in major airline ops. They are onerous at best. And if allowed, will have a ripple effect throughout the bid packages as trips are changed to allow for the CDOs. We need to protect what we have, for example; Some people want to sell their vacations... should we permit that? Just for those who want to? Would it affect others?

Motion seconded.
Old 09-16-2014 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Have CQ coming up and the FO has a Z next to the sim type. IE: 601Z. Any ideas what that means?
It means they will be doing the couple of extra items required to have the SIC restriction removed from their type rating. They will have to taxi the aircraft and perform a RTO from the left seat.
Old 09-16-2014 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential

To be fair and balanced though, there was definitely a huge failure at the MEC level to not communicate to the wider pilot group that they were actually negotiating these things. There was no reason to keep the CDO's a secret.
The reason was that they knew it didn't have a prayer of passing unless they could slip it past us. Most of us didn't know what the term "split duty period" even meant. When the cat got let out of the bag on the forums and people figured out it was CDO's... well, the rest is history. Or is it?

In any case, it's just like you said... huge failure at the MEC level. Or more accurately, their plan to slip these things past us didn't work.

Originally Posted by Check Essential
Thankfully there were enough guys paying attention at the ratification meeting to get the word out the day before the MEC voted.

If it wasn't for this forum we would have CDO's in our contract right now.
Yep. So why are we considering them again?
Old 09-16-2014 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Motion seconded.
Motion passes! All those in favor...? [Raises hand]
Old 09-16-2014 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Motion passes! All those in favor...? [Raises hand]

Old 09-16-2014 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by StormChaser
It means they will be doing the couple of extra items required to have the SIC restriction removed from their type rating. They will have to taxi the aircraft and perform a RTO from the left seat.

Actually, the FO will do it all from the right seat, and they skip their "first look" maneuvers. It is basically transparent to the 601 event.


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