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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1733341)
Hey I know you're just making a joke. But please don't forget this is a public forum. The MD-88 has a very good safety record. You want to make jokes about the airplane... fine. But please don't imply the airplane is unsafe on a public forum where the intent of your post could be misunderstood. Thank you.
What made & keeps the MD88 safe is the experienced, focused, well trained, masters of aviation employed by Delta Air Lines. So for a change of pace, how about a man from Woodside with a Redwood sized woodie trying to bail out of a Virgin?
Originally Posted by Jalopnik
A Virgin America flight had to land in Omaha, Nebraska on Monday morning, after a 26 year-old passenger was caught allegedly masturbating at his seat, and then later tried to open the emergency exit door during the flight.
According to NBC Los Angeles, the FAA called the incident an "unscheduled medical emergency." However, the police report said the diversion was caused by a 26 year-old man from Woodside, California named Doug Adams, who was "masturbating in flight and later tried to open an exit door." An L.A. film producer named Sam Slater was sitting in front of Adams, and gave the same account to NBC. Slater said that Adams was wearing a hospital bracelet, and that after trying to open the emergency exit door, Adams was restrained by two Boston Police officers, who were also on the flight. The U.S. Attorney's Office in Omaha said that rather than being arrested upon landing, Adams was taken to a hospital for observation. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1733330)
Index,
CRM has improved safety. It is my opinion the biggest improvement has been active pilot monitoring. Point of fact, Delta pilots had the exact same failure on more than one occasion and dealt with it. MD88 pilots seem to have that kind of failure every couple of weeks or so. :cool: My criticism of the article was that the author, credible as he may be, went far beyond what those in the air safety community would consider a scientific consideration of objective findings. The article was written to entertain. That sort of subjective voyeurism isn't really helpful. It is maintained the reason Air France and Delta's similar systems failures had much different outcomes came down to training and experience. (thanks to our stagnation, we are tremendously experienced :o ) Was there a CRM failure and a systems failure? Yes, those too. Like many accidents there is a long list of things of contributing factors and had not those links in the chain come together we wouldn't be having this discussion. Even so, training and experience can NOT always prevent mistakes or accidents. I don't think you can extrapolate such a conclusion based on one incident from each side--AF bad, DAL good. The fact is we are all human. We are all subject to fatigue, complacency, misinterpreting the situation, etc... The AF pilots had been droning along for hours. In the span of seconds ice crystals formed in the pitot tubes causing erroneous a/s and altitude indications. The a/p automatically disengaged, thrust lock mode engaged, and the a/c reverted to ALT LAW. The quiet dark cockpit suddenly became noisy with aural alerts with ECAM messages galore. All in a matter of seconds. I'm sure it was an overwhelming event. Things snowballed quickly. Virtually all of us in aviation have experienced an event or two (or more) where things got rapidly out of hand. Obviously we all survived or we wouldn't be posting here. Was that due to "experience"? Good judgment? A little (or a lot of) luck? You know the old adage about good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment. But my point is this. In roughly around a minute the a/c went from stable flight to out of control. It's easy in hindsight to diagnose the mistakes made by this flight crew. It's obvious what those mistakes were. I just think it's wrong of you to boast that DAL wouldn't make the same mistakes under the same circumstances because we're "experienced" and the AF pilots were not. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1733347)
What is this, "Hate on The Dude Day" ?
What made & keeps the MD88 safe is the experienced, focused, well trained, masters of aviation employed by Delta Air Lines. So for a change of pace, how about a man from Woodside with a heck of a woodie trying to bail out of a Virgin? |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1733347)
What made & keeps the MD88 safe is the experienced, focused, well trained, under paid, masters of aviation employed by Delta Air Lines.
(Although I don't accept your premise. The MD-88 is a perfectly safe airplane. Just because you couldn't handle it or didn't want to work that hard, doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the airplane.) |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1733350)
Handled it just fine, thank you. Where do you think my material comes from? I've not had to call John Goodman to get me out of a crack. Any plot that involved John Goodman to get you out of a mess usually involves something that made me laugh. ... |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1733351)
Just because you couldn't handle it or didn't want to work that hard....)
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China appears on MSP's radar, and perhaps Delta's | Star Tribune
This article states Delta is re-fleeting with 787s and A350s. Did I miss something or did Delta finally decide on a new wide body? Maybe this was speculation on the reporters part? |
Did anyone else read about getting 5% of our next years profit sharing on Oct 3rd? It's in a memo on the deltanet right now. That announcement and that top of scale non contract employees will be getting a 4% raise next year, 3% for not top of scale.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1733365)
China appears on MSP's radar, and perhaps Delta's | Star Tribune
This article states Delta is re-fleeting with 787s and A350s. Did I miss something or did Delta finally decide on a new wide body? Maybe this was speculation on the reporters part? Delta is replacing its fleet of Boeing 747s with Boeing’s new, fuel-efficient 787 aircraft and Airbus A350s. “That fleet is going to unlock longer-haul markets,” Anderson said. To me, it sounds like pretty specific. If he had said, "airplanes like that" then it's just conjecture. But reports miss-quote things sometimes or take things out of context. Personally I don't think the A350 is mature enough for us to order, but that's just me. |
Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
(Post 1733377)
Did anyone else read about getting 5% of our next years profit sharing on Oct 3rd? It's in a memo on the deltanet right now. That announcement and that top of scale non contract employees will be getting a 4% raise next year, 3% for not top of scale.
Just read that? |
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