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Edit: I just looked it up and, according to the answer provided in the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the Dalpa website, I'm right and you are wrong.:p:). Page 104 if you are interested. It says they are applied starting with the first day.

Denny

Delta1067 and anyone else wondering about payback days, If you want to find the real gouge about payback days, look at the Scheduling Reference Handbook starting on page 104. It will answer all your questions.

Denny

What an awesome reference. It's like PWA for dummies. Wish I had known about that a few years ago.

I'm answering this without going to the reference FYI...If I have a PB day in the bank, and I have a trip AUG 1-4, I can call sched and tell them I'd like to use my PB day on Aug 4. That will drop the entire trip, and I will receive the value of the day for Aug 4, not the first day of the trip. We are talking about only having 1 PB day, and using that for the most benefit...correct?

This may have been true in the past (I don't know whether it was or not) but is not correct now. Like Denny said, it will automatically cover the trip in sequential order starting with the first day. It specifically warns or credit time paying on the last day of a trip and the fact that you will lose this pay time if you don't have enough PB days to cover the whole trip. I used a bunch of PB days in December and it does not even allow you to select specific days (unless you are a reserve). You input the pairing and start date and it does the rest.

All due respect and all...

Exactly! My problem is, just when I think I have something figured out.....................I get bitten in the arse and then have to scramble to find a way to try and do what I wanted to do!:eek::)

Denny

I've never called them to use one, only used the "Leave request, payback days" option. Maybe there is more if you can talk them into it but the computer won't process it any other way than first day off stuff.

Yep, the PWA just says:

" a. take such day(s)-off in the current or a future bid period, by mutual agreement with Crew Scheduling."

A year or so ago, I dropped a trip with a PB day. I needed one day off for whatever reason, so I dropped it on that day. I was paid the value of that day, which was the lowest value of the whole trip. :eek: Called CPSC and that's what they told me. I thought I did it on the computer and just dropped it on a particular day. Maybe it's changed, maybe I'm AFU!:D

Not according to the answer in the SRH that I listed. I'm on my iPad and don't know how to cut and paste it. It specifically addresses your scenario and says it will drop the first day and to be careful because trip credit is paid on the last day.

Crew scheduling will tell you to use PCS for payback day usage. Reserves available have to be above reserves required for the entire trip to use PB days even if you only have one. I don't think they will do that manually now.

Now if you personal drop a trip and then call up and tell them what day you want to cover, they might do that.

Denny

I see your point. There's a bit of a conflict between what you have quoted and I've referenced.

My guess is "crew scheduling mutual agreement" means if the computer, via PCS->Leave requests etc, says you can do it, then they "mutually agree." Like I said in my last post, if you PD a trip, they might cover the specific day you want.

Denny