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Old 11-05-2009 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Add to it that Trips cannot be assigned to a reserve pilot prior to 0800 base time the day prior to report.

To track to a different reserve subject;

I start my first month on DAL reserve. I am on Intl. reserve for 18 consecutive days, how does DAL take care of the required 24/7?
Old 11-05-2009 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You can put in a "yellow slip" for a specific rotation under the PCS option.

Yellow slipping is not a precise art.
Be very careful with the yellow slip. About the only time you should put one in is if you know your going to get used and there is a trip that you would prefer to fly. Putting in a yellow slip for that specific trip is really the only good use for the yellow slip option. If you just put in a blanket yellow slip for the day and you are on long call, you really just put yourself on shortcall because when they call you with a trip it is not a proffer and they don't have to honor the 12 hour callout. Your better off to leave out the yellow slip and put in a green slip. If they call you on a LC day for a trip that reports within 12 hours and you have a greeslip in, you get greenslip pay for it if you want to do it, if you have a yellow slip in, you just have to do the trip. I guess the yellow slip option used to be much better when they had the hi/low stuff before the reserve rules were gutted during bankruptcy. Now it's pretty much worthless.
Old 11-05-2009 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Which one of these is not like the other?? hmmmmmmmm.....

And from today's email from LD:

"While I did think the concept of developing a list of questions for the candidates had merit, I chose not to participate for numerous reasons. Lack of opportunity for input from all of Council 44, legality concerns with respect to compliance with ALPA Constitution and By-Laws and other regulatory entities, and the hasty execution of the process were but a few. "

Slowplay, care to revisit your objection?

"chose not to participate" and "exclusion" are 2 very different things, if you didn't know....
Intriguing question Mr. Biggums.

Far more intriguing than figuring out why my font is all of a sudden blue, although that is still worth pondering some as well.
Old 11-05-2009 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gearsdown
To track to a different reserve subject;

I start my first month on DAL reserve. I am on Intl. reserve for 18 consecutive days, how does DAL take care of the required 24/7?
no 24/7 for international ops.....
Old 11-05-2009 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Be very careful with the yellow slip. About the only time you should put one in is if you know your going to get used and there is a trip that you would prefer to fly. Putting in a yellow slip for that specific trip is really the only good use for the yellow slip option. If you just put in a blanket yellow slip for the day and you are on long call, you really just put yourself on shortcall because when they call you with a trip it is not a proffer and they don't have to honor the 12 hour callout. Your better off to leave out the yellow slip and put in a green slip. If they call you on a LC day for a trip that reports within 12 hours and you have a greeslip in, you get greenslip pay for it if you want to do it, if you have a yellow slip in, you just have to do the trip. I guess the yellow slip option used to be much better when they had the hi/low stuff before the reserve rules were gutted during bankruptcy. Now it's pretty much worthless.
I concur that it can be a dangerous thing to play with. I only pull out the yellow slip in the morning during that first run for the next day when there is something I want and if I don't get what I want I pull the yellow slip. But if you want to fly and build your hours for whatever reason (say to not fly later) then put one in. Sometimes they do rob from Peter to pay Paul, sometimes they don't.
Old 11-05-2009 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bwipilot
I'm starting to understand why the pilots flew past Minneapolis--almost surprised they didn't get to Cananda
Actually, I thought this was kind of funny (the comment, not the overflying of MSP)....given the endless posts on the near infinite permutational intricacies of the DAL (in this case, reserve) scheduling systems.... ...good one, Bwipilot!
Old 11-05-2009 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
If you just put in a blanket yellow slip for the day and you are on long call, you really just put yourself on shortcall because when they call you with a trip it is not a proffer and they don't have to honor the 12 hour callout.
You can actually turn down a trip if it's less than 12 hours and you have submitted a YS. If you have submitted a YS and they assign a trip more than 12 hours out, you have to take the trip.

Section 23 T.

6. A reserve pilot who is proffered/awarded a yellow slip for a rotation with a report that is:
a. 12 hours or less from first attempted contact may decline such award (this is a proffer).
b. more than 12 hours from first attempted contact is obligated to fly the rotation (this is not a proffer).

I use the YS because I can't sit long call from home so I want to fly instead of sitting around the crashpad. Once I arrive in base, I pop the YS in. If they're really short, I'll forgo the YS and put in a GS instead.
Old 11-05-2009 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
You can actually turn down a trip if it's less than 12 hours and you have submitted a YS. If you have submitted a YS and they assign a trip more than 12 hours out, you have to take the trip.

Section 23 T.

6. A reserve pilot who is proffered/awarded a yellow slip for a rotation with a report that is:
a. 12 hours or less from first attempted contact may decline such award (this is a proffer).
b. more than 12 hours from first attempted contact is obligated to fly the rotation (this is not a proffer).

I use the YS because I can't sit long call from home so I want to fly instead of sitting around the crashpad. Once I arrive in base, I pop the YS in. If they're really short, I'll forgo the YS and put in a GS instead.
I've been trying the GS option instead of the YS. I figure, why give them the ability to use me for free. If I' getting less than 12 hours notice and I'm not on SC, then lets have some pay above the guarantee! I'm still stuck in the crashpad but...
Old 11-05-2009 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I have also seen the schedules assign short call very early in the day, ie shortly after 0800 so that they can get past the guys with five and six days of availability so they can assign the four days to guys with four days of availability. I had it happen to me earlier this week.
Fact is, it is totally legal and up to their discretion. I was number three and I got the second four day. The guy above me had SC assigned, and the trip was assigned prior to 11 am the day prior. Of course when I was given the trip I assumed the guy above me got SC, sure as the day is long at 1500 he did.....
Yes, that's the new game. Also, they'll use a SC assignment to make you illegal for the good trip you want, so they can put you on the craptastic assignment that they want you on.
Old 11-05-2009 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dragon
I've been trying the GS option instead of the YS. I figure, why give them the ability to use me for free. If I' getting less than 12 hours notice and I'm not on SC, then lets have some pay above the guarantee! I'm still stuck in the crashpad but...
When we're overstaffed the way we are, the chances of getting a GS are extremely low (#16 on the priority list to get called) where YS's have a much higher chance of getting called (#3 on the priority list). If we have plenty of pilots to cover the flying, I YS so at least I get to fly instead of getting passed up for the flying. During the Summer when we're way short on pilots, I'll be GS'ing the heck out of everything!
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