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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:10 PM
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What is stupid is thinking that we can somehow change the way they are.
Just a wee bit of history. Germany and Japan were both highly militaristic countries beginning with Germany's invasion of France in 1870 and Japan's war with Russia in 1905. Both countries caused death and suffering throughout the beginning of the 20th century. Japan invaded most of Asia, especially China and Korea. Germany finally gave it in 1918 with an armistice while its army was still in France.

By 1945, both countries were utterly defeated, occupied and feed only be the generosity of the US people. GIs were out on "short rats" to feed Tokyo. Neither country is militaristic today, in fact, both can best be described as "idealistic pacifists". Yes, wars change people, it just takes one side to be defeated and exhausted.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:42 PM
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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
Boots on the ground in Africa to combat Eboli, but not ISIS in the Middle East
If Americans would wake up and realize what side he's on, they wouldn't be so surprised at his actions (inactions).
Old 10-11-2014 | 01:47 PM
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The mistake both sides of this argument are making is calling ISIS "extremist". They are not extreme. They are mainstream Islam. Everything they are doing is written in their book, the Holy Quran. There is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim." There are no denominations of Muslim. There are no differing versions of the Quran. There is no separation of church and state in Islam. There is only Islam, an all encompassing religious, political, economic, and social blueprint for how the entire world should live.

The only way to stop them is to utterly crush the and grind them into dust. No one in the West has the fortitude to wage that fight. Barring that, we should completely separate Western Civilization from Islam. Let them have their lands. If they step outside of their sandbox, destroy them.
Old 10-11-2014 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
That's right removing our troops from Iraq made a bunch of Muslims form into a group and they became extreme.

So should we have keept our troops in Iraq for 2 more years maybe 5 or how about 50?

I wonder if they would hate us so much if we never invaded Iraq?
You obviously don't know history. They've been pis5ed off since 632.
Old 10-11-2014 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
If Americans would wake up and realize what side he's on, they wouldn't be so surprised at his actions (inactions).
Old 10-11-2014 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
Wait so it was Obama that invaded Iraq?
No, but I think history is fairly clear that wars don't begin because of aggression, they begin by appeasement.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 02:16 PM
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OK guys. Please take politics to a different thread or even a different Forum.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No, but I think history is fairly clear that wars don't begin because of aggression, they begin by appeasement.

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Precisely! And we continue to fail to learn the lessons of our history. It's 1933 again.
Old 10-11-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
I wonder if they would hate us so much if we never invaded Iraq?
Yes. The proof that is 9/11. If that wasn't hate-based, then I don't know what was. And we hadn't gone to liberate Iraq yet.

Yes I said liberate, not invade. That's what we do. The only land we "invade" is the land necessary to bury our dead soldiers who came to free people.

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