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Old 10-16-2014 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Dude, it beats the hell outta what we had. I'm sorry that you're sorry....but most of us are thrilled. You're unhappy about a 3-day that pays more than 15:45 because there's no credit? Credits great but how about we get paid for TAFB? I'll take that any day.
I read it that his complaint was, no commutable trips, due to early sign in, late release, due to cramming 8+ hours into day 1 and day 3, to get near the average of 5:15.

I wish we had a daily MINIMUM of 6:00, for everything, training, vacation, CQ CD watching, etc., not a daily AVERAGE of only 5:15.
Old 10-16-2014 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I read it that his complaint was, no commutable trips, due to early sign in, late release, due to cramming 8+ hours into day 1 and day 3, to get near the average of 5:15.

I wish we had a daily MINIMUM of 6:00, for everything, training, vacation, CQ CD watching, etc., not a daily AVERAGE of only 5:15.
I agree completely! What I'm advocating is that 5:15 is much better than it used to be, commutable or not. I, for one, love max credit trips. I much prefer, however, to be paid for my trip and not have my 30 hour layovers count for little to nothing. It's probably equipment and base specific. I'm so done with 3-days that start with a red eye and pay 10.3.

I'm all about hard work. I'm hoping that our down time can be more efficient.
Old 10-16-2014 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I love it when people complain about Obama Care and don't even understand what it is. While I may not agree with the whole "act", I think it is important that people at least understand what it is and how it works. All of us will be buying our health care insurance that way within 5 years anyways so you just as well get to know what we've got.

You have just as much chance of getting shuffled around on UHC insurance through Delta as someone does who purchases insurance through an exchange. No one is "on" the affordable care ac,t they buy insurance through an exchange. In fact, in some states people "on" the affordable care act have access to the exact same plans we do from UHC, they just pay more in premiums. So, they have no more chance of being denied coverage than you or I do.

In my area I can purchase a BCBS HSA plan from the exchange that is almost identical to what Delta is offering in the Silver HSA plan for 2015. Delta will charge me about $200/mo while on the exchange the plan costs about $750. Right now that is not very "affordable" unless I become unemployed and don't have access to an employer provided plan. If I had to pay COBRA premiums to keep my Delta UHC plan I would be just over $1000 an month so at that point it is a more affordable option to get health care coverage for my family.

At the end of the day, either way I get my health insurance it is provided by a private insurance company. As long as I "choose" the plan that has the coverage I need, I should not get denied coverage if I get Ebola whether I have UHC insurance through Delta or through an Exchange.
Top Tier Hospitals Excluded from Obamacare and High Deductibles
Old 10-16-2014 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Dude, it beats the hell outta what we had. I'm sorry that you're sorry....but most of us are thrilled. You're unhappy about a 3-day that pays more than 15:45 because there's no credit? Credits great but how about we get paid for TAFB? I'll take that any day.


Absolutely. It is a huge, huge improvement for QOL in LAX on the 73N- but we pretty much had the worse bid package in the system so pretty much anything was going to help us.

A couple of years ago I analyzed our bid package. 1/3 of our bid package were 4 day red-eyes that paid between 17 and 20 hours. Granted that was the worse month that I had seen, but you get the point. The guys near the bottom that were working 16 days for between 68-72 hours now will get at least 84 for the same flying!

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Old 10-16-2014 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Absolutely. It is a huge, huge improvement for QOL in LAX on the 73N- but we pretty much had the worse bid package in the system so pretty much anything was going to help us.

A couple of years ago I analyzed our bid package. 1/3 of our bid package were 4 day red-eyes that paid between 17 and 20 hours. Granted that was the worse month that I had seen, but you get the point. The guys near the bottom that were working 16 days for between 68-72 hours now will get at least 84 for the same flying!

Scoop
Amen! I don't commute by definition but I do because I fly out of the greater LA area which means I have to cover bases that I have to often drive into the night before. What thrills me is that all of the previous 3 days the started with an overnight that paid 10.3 now pay 15.45. HUGE!

I'll pick up a hotel for that...hell yeah. It can get better but, Holy Cow, its much better than it was.
Old 10-17-2014 | 04:30 AM
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Six Reasons to Panic | The Weekly Standard

And then there's this.

Ebola ruled out as passenger dies on Nigeria flight to JFK | New York Post

Our Government is playing Russian Roulette with the safety of the American people. If this kicks off here it will be like Lord of the Flies in some places.

PS, I have to admit I had to look up who Katniss Everdeen was....

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Old 10-17-2014 | 06:28 AM
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Are you taking pleasure with this statement?
not at all. as a matter of fact I am pizzed that it is taking all those high paying jobs and displacing them onto lesser paying jobs which will displace.... all because marketing changed their minds
Old 10-17-2014 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
Good post. As an aside, I think if you were to become unemployed, the cost of the plans on the exchange would be much cheaper. I was under the impression that the less you make, the cheaper the plans are.

I doubt that is how it would go down. Something tells me that the socialists wouldn't allow someone in the top 10% of all wage earners (5%???) like us to stop working and to go onto the exchanges and pay the same as octomom. I just don't see that happening at all.
Old 10-17-2014 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
No.

How about a 5:15 min per day though. Then those 30 hour layovers that they are now stacking 8:30 on day one and day 3 would pay 22:15. That's what we need instead of an avg.
I'm not trying to complain, I'm just saying the company has figured out how to make the trip without triggering 430 or 515. It's better than a sharp stick in the eye, and it certainly helps with they try to build a 13 hour 3 day, I'm just not buying all the chest thumping about it. Min day is the way to go, average day is what we have.

I'm not going to post the trip but for example, day one is 8:30 block, day 2 is 31 hours off in random city, day three is 7:41. Day one and three are NIGHTMARE's and you get a day off away from home with ZERO compensation for it. pay's 16:11, regardless of 430 or 515.

If that were a 2 day trip that paid 16:11, I would be much more excited about it.
Old 10-17-2014 | 07:14 AM
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There are absolutely plans available on the exchanges that will exclude certain hospitals. The talking points of that article are that if you choose the cheapest plan on the exchange you will have limited options. It doesn't say a thing about what you get if you choose an expensive option. A very one sided article really.

It is that way right now with insurance provided through your employer. If you choose the lowest deductible plans in most employer sponsored plans you will find that not all hospitals may accept the insurance. UHC at Delta is good in that regard and most hospitals accept UHC. Not all employers are that way. If you have access to UHC plans on the exchange in your state, you will have access to the same hospitals that you do in your Delta sponsored plan. If you want to find the cheapest plan available to you via the exchange, you will find limited options.

I don't like the way the affordable care act was pushed on us any more than the next guy, but the reality of the situation is that it is now law and the chances of it being repealed are basically nil. All of us will purchase healthcare on the exchanges within 5 years so you better have it figured out. Right now in my state if Delta would give me $700 per month to buy health insurance from an exchange, I would be no worse off going with an HSA option available via the exchange.
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