Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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There's that, but also, how much of the traffic going through a hub is Origin/Destination type traffic?
Richard wants to make SEA a hub to Asia, feeding by adding our domestic flight as well as flights from Europe. I wonder what percentage of O/D pax there will be once we get the hub spooled up and get 30 gates.
Narita has very little O/D traffic, yet we still have lots of big iron coming and going through there. Mostly it's connecting traffic. That hub will be shifted to SEA.
I doubt Richard is too worried about what the average citizen in Seattle thinks about Delta's next wide body order, and I doubt they will boycott Delta if we offer international service out of SEA to Asia and Europe on new Airbus' vs. 787's.
Oh, and we already operate a lot of Boeings.
Richard wants to make SEA a hub to Asia, feeding by adding our domestic flight as well as flights from Europe. I wonder what percentage of O/D pax there will be once we get the hub spooled up and get 30 gates.
Narita has very little O/D traffic, yet we still have lots of big iron coming and going through there. Mostly it's connecting traffic. That hub will be shifted to SEA.
I doubt Richard is too worried about what the average citizen in Seattle thinks about Delta's next wide body order, and I doubt they will boycott Delta if we offer international service out of SEA to Asia and Europe on new Airbus' vs. 787's.
Oh, and we already operate a lot of Boeings.
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Both of you might be right. I don't really think we can estimate the weight given to the various factors, with the data we have here.
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Oh, and he'll change his mind three or four times between today and the order...and then the BOD will make adjustments to that!

If RA's smart (and he is) he'll find a way to "Leverage" (don't you hate that over used word?) the wide body order against us in another rushed C2015, just like he did with the 717's in C2012.
"Hey, if you cut me some slack on the Virgin JV thing, I'll order some brand new XXX's! And here's another 4,8,3, 3, in exchange for that pesky profit sharing thingy, but you must ACT NOW!"
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Anyone finishing OE in December.
You have the option to request a regular schedule before your last day of OE. You will the have a blank schedule for the rest of December. There is no pay guarantee so you will have to pick up trips from open time or the swap board but you can get Christmas off if you want.
You have the option to request a regular schedule before your last day of OE. You will the have a blank schedule for the rest of December. There is no pay guarantee so you will have to pick up trips from open time or the swap board but you can get Christmas off if you want.
I don't think the O/D traffic is as much of a factor as ensuring "local" political help to aquire 30 gates and a new customs facility that will compete directly with AS on the North side.
Remember the Juno fiasco..a little Birdie told me that the JNU FSDO was in bed with AS to keep us out of there..thus the removal of Cat D circling mins and their subsequent return but with an ADF requirement to define the FAF..gee, DL 73N's don't have an ADF, that will keep them out of there and make it too expensive for DL, and if we can't get into JNU, maybe DL will think twice and just forget about their whole plan for SEA.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know.. we put the 757 on it..no worries, but it'd be nice to avoid the potential for similar "local" manipulation as we ramp up SEA.
A 787 order, along with some appropriate marketing, would make us less of the "foreign" invaders and more of the home team willing to fill the sky with Boeing WB's on "our" new home turf. That gesture might apply enough pressure to keep the AS operatives in check to get the facilities in SEA and ensure that all the details are met. We don't want to get a surprise like "thanks for spending all that money to build a new customs facility, but the local head honcho has decided that it won't be be manned during the big DL arrival bank, so everyone will have to be bussed ala Bradley in LAX".
I've spent enough time waiting for a fuel truck in CentAmer chasing druggies to know a little grease goes a long way..and 787's may help us keep a level playing field in SEA.
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Awesome. More RJ expansion in seattle
It's important to the locals in SEA. That's why AS is "proudly all Boeing". I think we'd be foolish not to become "the biggest 787 operator out of SEA", which would help with gate acquisition and a new customs facility. We'd fly 330's and 350's out of SEA too, but I think the 787 has a lot of "intangible" qualities beyond price and performance.
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Jmho..
I have to disagree with you and sailing. I have had an intimate relationship with Seattle since the Boeing 747 depression and these billboards were around town.

This region has changed a lot. Most people couldn't identify a Boeing or an Airbus on the ramp or airborne. They can tell you if it's an Alaska jet. Additionally, many wouldn't know what a Delta plane looked like if you covered up the name on the fuselage. They care about price and not getting the middle seat.
Acquiring gates, customs facilities, landing slots, etc are collective business decisions just as purchasing airplanes are.
RA is a great businessman and negotiator. Look how skilled the company managed C12k if you have any doubts. He will not over pay for any airplane, or chose a substandard one over a better performing one, to curry favor when in reality none needs to be curried. It's not good business. It's also not in the game theory matrix.
That all being said, I do continually scratch my head when I get in a 900.
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