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12-17-2014, 02:38 PM

#174271

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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot

Quick question. I was just assigned a trip with a 9.20 rest with a DHD following, does anyone know if this adheres to the contract? I'm looking but haven't found anything yet.....

I think you're OK if the 2 duty periods surrounding the 9+20 break total less than 20 hours.
If they are longer then you need a 10 hour break.

Look at 12.G.2

12-17-2014, 02:40 PM

#174272

TeddyKGB

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Originally Posted by Dorfman

SD's latest letter said we would have more than $4.5 billion in pre tax profits. Anyone want to hazard a guess at what the PS on that will be?

I heard that your Feb 14th PS amount will be double the size of the one that we got in Oct. If you got $10K in Oct then you will get $20K in Feb.

12-17-2014, 02:55 PM

#174273

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Several questions there. Since Carl did such a poor job answering, let me help him out.

This ought to be good.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

The RLA and our PWA give us the right to perform all Delta Company flying. We permit Company flying to be done by other pilots and permit codeshare on other air carriers.

Nobody says we don't have the right. We're just saying that our "union" doesn't want to exercise its rights. Not defending the language and purposely agreeing to obviously flawed language is just the latest example.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

It is impractical (for reasons of legality, even if economics are ignored) for Delta to fly every Delta passenger from every point across our network. Having a broad, convenient, international and domestic network improves marginal revenue ... we probably are not a sustainable business without it.

Pure BS. Southwest Airlines is the clear example of why you're wrong. In fact, before your assimilation into the ALPA machine, you strongly disagreed with those who made the assertion you just made above.

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ALPA's task is extremely complex.

It's actually very simple: Representing pilots. When you've moved on to another agenda that is different from representing pilots, you say it's complicated. Nobody buys it anymore Buck.

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While Delta pilots have a contractual right to all Delta flying, the definition of "Delta flying" is anything but simple. The Delta MEC has led, and continues to expand it's lead, over the rest of the profession when it comes to strategically planning, negotiating and implementing labor protective provisions.

The Delta MEC has been an industry leader in outsourcing Delta jobs. You know that because you used to point that out...before assimilation.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Much of the progress we have made as a Company, a pilot group, and as leaders of our Association has been the result of a unique corporate culture which allows us to work together. When you consider what has happened elsewhere: American struggled with scope for 15 years just to have a Judge impose a several year old version of Delta's language and United's agreement also mirrors ours.

Our corporate culture is unique in that it is predominantly a non-union culture. Only pretend unions are allowed here...which explains DALPA.

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Delta being able to maintain a first mover advantage benefits the Delta pilots. At the same time, we must work damn hard to ensure Delta pilots maintain their right to perform Delta flying; defining that flying broadly so that the Delta pilots remain relevant.

The actions of this MEC have us on a high speed train to irrelevance. Outsourcing never works...for labor. You used to know better.

Carl

12-17-2014, 02:59 PM

#174274

GogglesPisano

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So when will Havana service start?

12-17-2014, 03:00 PM

#174275

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

An expedited arbitration enforceable through Federal District Court is not an "enforcement mechanism" ?

That would require our "union" to first file a grievance. That will not happen.

Carl

12-17-2014, 03:12 PM

#174276

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I agree with what you are saying however the numbers do not back up your statement. AF/KLM did not grow at our expense. I have posted the charts here.

You're distorting reality so bad sailingfun that reality is almost indiscernible. We shrunk, they didn't. We lost jobs, they didn't. They were supposed to shrink too in order for us to keep our 51.5% of the EASK share, they didn't.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The one chart posted showing a drop from just over 50% to 46.5 was when Alitalia was added.

Incorrect. We dropped from 51.5% to 47.5% well before the addition of Alitalia. When Alitalia was added, we dropped an additional 1% to 46.5% based on the recalculation.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Relative to AF/KLM we have been in a very narrow band with no substantial change on either side. Please give SM a call at the union. He keeps track of all the numbers and is very sharp.

Incorrect. See above.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

What the company failed to do was increase the flying back up to the required minimum of 48.5% after adding Alitalia. They cwill fall about 1% short.

That is correct, but isn't it interesting how you so willingly give up the additional 3% that we're supposed to have? We agreed to 51.5% as the target, now you jump right to the "absolute bare minimum" as the new measuring stick...which the company will not come close to meeting.

Carl

12-17-2014, 03:13 PM

#174277

scambo1

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

An expedited arbitration enforceable through Federal District Court is not an "enforcement mechanism" ?

Bar,
All due respect, but it has seemed to me that mostly the enforcement mechanism is an LOA or a contract renegotiation with the loophole written in. I can give examples of my observations. I can't come up with any where DALPA sued Delta in federal district court. YMMV.

12-17-2014, 03:16 PM

#174278

scambo1

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Originally Posted by Dorfman

SD's latest letter said we would have more than $4.5 billion in pre tax profits. Anyone want to hazard a guess at what the PS on that will be?

A lot more than John Belushi's grade point average.

12-17-2014, 03:20 PM

#174279

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Expedited Arbitration is contractually specified in the instance you are referring to.

After a grievance filing...which will not happen.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

A contractually specified penalty is popular, but is it the best way forward? An arbitration award can scale with the degree of the violation.

It really doesn't matter when your union has decided to partner with management. You don't push penalties against partners...so why write them into a contract?

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

In contrast if we were to try to negotiate a severe penalty for any degree of noncompliance, no matter how small, the Company would not agree. Of course anything can be bought, but is that where you would want negotiators using their capital, or would you prefer the current remedy which is scalable?

Again, that's for adversarial negotiations. That doesn't apply here. We're partners.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

This is not to say I know how ALPA will resolve the AF/KLM/AZ grievance.

There will be no grievance resolution because there will be no grievance.

Carl