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Old 12-17-2014 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
An expedited arbitration enforceable through Federal District Court is not an "enforcement mechanism" ?
A federal judge is going to make Delta adhere to its contractual obligations?
Old 12-17-2014 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
An expedited arbitration enforceable through Federal District Court is not an "enforcement mechanism" ?
It would be if we had such a thing.

But I am talking about a contractually specified penalty for non-compliance.
Old 12-17-2014 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
A federal judge is going to make Delta adhere to its contractual obligations?
Ultimately, yes; arbitration board decisions under the NMB are enforced by the Federal District Courts.
Old 12-17-2014 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
It would be if we had such a thing.

But I am talking about a contractually specified penalty for non-compliance.
Expedited Arbitration is contractually specified in the instance you are referring to.

A contractually specified penalty is popular, but is it the best way forward? An arbitration award can scale with the degree of the violation.

In contrast if we were to try to negotiate a severe penalty for any degree of noncompliance, no matter how small, the Company would not agree. Of course anything can be bought, but is that where you would want negotiators using their capital, or would you prefer the current remedy which is scalable?

I have served as a panelist in three forums over the years. While never sitting on a labor case, my experience in inter-company dispute resolution always had very straightforward outcomes.

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This is not to say I know how ALPA will resolve the AF/KLM/AZ grievance. There are much better experts on our MEC who deal with this stuff. I am just an observer in the bleachers.

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Old 12-17-2014 | 02:17 PM
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SD's latest letter said we would have more than $4.5 billion in pre tax profits. Anyone want to hazard a guess at what the PS on that will be?
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:22 PM
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Quick question. I was just assigned a trip with a 9.20 rest with a DHD following, does anyone know if this adheres to the contract? I'm looking but haven't found anything yet.....
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Quick question. I was just assigned a trip with a 9.20 rest with a DHD following, does anyone know if this adheres to the contract? I'm looking but haven't found anything yet.....
I don't think we have any work rules anymore. We just go by the FAR's these days.
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Quick question. I was just assigned a trip with a 9.20 rest with a DHD following, does anyone know if this adheres to the contract? I'm looking but haven't found anything yet.....
I think you're OK if the 2 duty periods surrounding the 9+20 break total less than 20 hours.
If they are longer then you need a 10 hour break.

Look at 12.G.2
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
SD's latest letter said we would have more than $4.5 billion in pre tax profits. Anyone want to hazard a guess at what the PS on that will be?
I heard that your Feb 14th PS amount will be double the size of the one that we got in Oct. If you got $10K in Oct then you will get $20K in Feb.
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Several questions there. Since Carl did such a poor job answering, let me help him out.
This ought to be good.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The RLA and our PWA give us the right to perform all Delta Company flying. We permit Company flying to be done by other pilots and permit codeshare on other air carriers.
Nobody says we don't have the right. We're just saying that our "union" doesn't want to exercise its rights. Not defending the language and purposely agreeing to obviously flawed language is just the latest example.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It is impractical (for reasons of legality, even if economics are ignored) for Delta to fly every Delta passenger from every point across our network. Having a broad, convenient, international and domestic network improves marginal revenue ... we probably are not a sustainable business without it.
Pure BS. Southwest Airlines is the clear example of why you're wrong. In fact, before your assimilation into the ALPA machine, you strongly disagreed with those who made the assertion you just made above.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
ALPA's task is extremely complex.
It's actually very simple: Representing pilots. When you've moved on to another agenda that is different from representing pilots, you say it's complicated. Nobody buys it anymore Buck.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
While Delta pilots have a contractual right to all Delta flying, the definition of "Delta flying" is anything but simple. The Delta MEC has led, and continues to expand it's lead, over the rest of the profession when it comes to strategically planning, negotiating and implementing labor protective provisions.
The Delta MEC has been an industry leader in outsourcing Delta jobs. You know that because you used to point that out...before assimilation.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Much of the progress we have made as a Company, a pilot group, and as leaders of our Association has been the result of a unique corporate culture which allows us to work together. When you consider what has happened elsewhere: American struggled with scope for 15 years just to have a Judge impose a several year old version of Delta's language and United's agreement also mirrors ours.
Our corporate culture is unique in that it is predominantly a non-union culture. Only pretend unions are allowed here...which explains DALPA.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Delta being able to maintain a first mover advantage benefits the Delta pilots. At the same time, we must work damn hard to ensure Delta pilots maintain their right to perform Delta flying; defining that flying broadly so that the Delta pilots remain relevant.
The actions of this MEC have us on a high speed train to irrelevance. Outsourcing never works...for labor. You used to know better.

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