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Old 12-16-2014 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
They're smart people who negotiate the language they feel will best suit corporate profitability...which will translate to better employee benefits.

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Old 12-16-2014 | 06:24 PM
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I heard the guy who brought us "sick leave verification" on C12--and was proud of it!-- resigned from the NC.

He's given a lot of himself to the pilot group, and he's a good dude. I'll leave it there.
Old 12-16-2014 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
One of our negotiators?

That would be very bad news this close to C2015.
I still don't get what incentive the company has to do C2015 right now.
Old 12-16-2014 | 09:40 PM
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The Emperor Is Naked I Repeat The Emperor Is Naked! And Yes The Urine Running Down Your Back is Urine!.....Not Rain! The JV is All about a token pay raise for outsourcing the Large Aircraft Flying ofDelta /NWA to Virgin, KLM, Air Chance......for a few percent of pay...expect a downward bid as the 744's retire...and more pabulum "this is GOOD for you!".....Your take SAILING?
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Molon Labe
The Emperor Is Naked I Repeat The Emperor Is Naked! And Yes The Urine Running Down Your Back is Urine!.....Not Rain! The JV is All about a token pay raise for outsourcing the Large Aircraft Flying ofDelta /NWA to Virgin, KLM, Air Chance......for a few percent of pay...expect a downward bid as the 744's retire...and more pabulum "this is GOOD for you!".....Your take SAILING?
Is this an excerpt from The Death of Artemio Cruz?
Old 12-17-2014 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Molon Labe
The Emperor Is Naked I Repeat The Emperor Is Naked! And Yes The Urine Running Down Your Back is Urine!.....Not Rain!
Old 12-17-2014 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Anyone know if we were flying TP avoidance routes in the area that American hit the severe turbulence?
Was there a TP issued for that area prior to the AA event?
Old 12-17-2014 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy
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Well, got that marked off the list early today.
Old 12-17-2014 | 05:58 AM
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Actually that was what I was asking. Should have been more clear. AA has a long history of flying into severe turbulence. Several years ago at a industry function(relayed to me by the head of meteorology at NWA) the then VP of flight ops at AA was very impressed with our TP program and our very low rate of inflight injuries due to turbulence. Our guy said that he could draft a proposal and get it to them. AA VP gets ****ed and says it should be free as its safety related and the airlines always share when it comes to that. Our guy responds that having your own in-house meteorology dept is expensive vs just buying your weather info from "weather is us" Wonder how much money in injuries and damaged aircraft over the years this would have saved AA. Btw, both CAL and LUV over the years did purchase the info. Not sure if they still do.


Originally Posted by iceman49
Was there a TP issued for that area prior to the AA event?
Old 12-17-2014 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
This is supposed to be a 'balanced' agreement,
Yes indeed. It was supposed to be 51.5% Delta, 48.5% Euros. That was the balance we ALL agreed to.

Originally Posted by shiznit
and AF/KL haven't abided by their end of the deal.
Incorrect. From the time we signed the agreement to the time Alitalia was brought aboard in July of 2010, Delta shrank from 51.5% to about 47.5%. Delta did that on their own because of how Delta perceived the profitability of certain routes to be. AF/KLM disagreed with that perception and refused to shrink along with Delta in order to push the Delta percentage share back up to 51.5%. In a JV that was promoted to EVERYONE as a vehicle for global growth, Delta wasted no time in trying to use the JV as a vehicle to pull capacity out of the airline industry. That was Delta's choice.

Originally Posted by shiznit
AFAIK RA is none too pleased with that side of the pond, but couldn't do anything more about it at the time to force them to pull down flying.
You're correct in saying AFAIK because you really have no idea whether RA is pleased or not. It may well be that this suited RA's needs precisely. He may have been looking for a way to shrink Delta metal while still having revenue rights to the JV...flown by the metal of others. Hard to say, but neither one of us knows.

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