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Old 12-16-2014 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
How many do we have right now? Anyone know that answer?
From Delta's 4th Quarter -Effective Oct 1, 2014 Fleet Summary

757-200 = 122
757-300 = 16

For a total of 138
Old 12-16-2014 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by thefoxsays
I appreciate the sarcasm because I'm sarcastic myself. I didn't know we put that much work into the runs. So I do appreciate the insight. I need to learn more about this... So maybe I'll have to look into this QC stuff. Might learn a lot. Thanks.
That's exactly why I volunteered to help the PBS team when we first started using it, to better learn how it all works. It would really help a junior guy who wants to get better lines to volunteer, and you'll learn the ins and outs of the system.

They are always looking for new blood. Call DALPA and ask them when you can get started. You'll be amazed at how much work goes into checking each and every run.
Old 12-16-2014 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Our scope is now voluntary on the part of Delta management. If they don't like it, they'll ignore it and DALPA's job is to make you feel good about it.
I think more and more guys are starting to realize that fact.
ALPA has done nothing but slowly relax our scope for the last ten years.
When we haven't relaxed it fast enough and management has violated the contract then ALPA just signs these Letters of Agreement to permit pretty much whatever management wants to do.

Here's been the tough part for me though:
I used to believe that maybe guys had busy lives and just didn't pay enough attention and didn't understand what was happening. They figured their reps knew best and they couldn't be bothered. I thought we needed to do a better job of educating line pilots. I no longer think that.

I've come to the hard realization that its not "ALPA" doing it against our will.
It's what the majority wants.
There is no other explanation for the pilot group's lack of response when these outsourcing deals keep getting approved.
The Delta pilots have made a conscious and willful decision to place our trust in management and put profitability ahead of job protection. WE have decided that its in our long term best interests to sacrifice some flying and some jobs in order to maximize the financial health of the corporation.

Traditional "scope" is an outdated concept.
While the economy is good and we are hiring 100 a month then nobody cares about outsourcing. Let the good times roll.

But watch out when the music stops.
Carl Spackler warned us.
Old 12-16-2014 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I have no clue. It sounded to me like they want assets in Amsterdam and the UK where taxes are lower. Not sure if we are considered assets. I don't think any of us have a clue what RA and the guys are planning the next 10 years.
The fact RA doesn't want to say I think is a bad sign. In conjunction with the poor contractual language your union just approved, you can fully expect Virgin America to be the asset Delta uses to capture lower European taxes.
Old 12-16-2014 | 01:46 PM
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As a relatively new guy, I'm don't understand PBS very well...so I need an assist. I've been a line holder for a few months, and was expecting a line again...why not? My bid is easy, just a couple Award lines for 4 day trips and layovers at home. I have a carryover trip, that has 19 hours of credit into Jan. When the schedule came out, it gave me reserve...happened to a few of my buds as well. Here's what the Reasons Report says:

Bid group not attempted: Previous pairing bid group could not build a complete line

What does that mean? Why do so many people below me have a line when they had holiday trips as well?

Help!
Old 12-16-2014 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
That's why we should have language that states something along the lines of "in the event of non-compliance by the company, the company will immediately decrease the number of flights offered by our JV partners to Delta passengers."

It's amazing that we don't have specific language for non-compliance by the company. Even after we have known that they will not comply with our current AF JV, we sign another JV without specific penalties for non-compliance. We never learn from our mistakes. We are clearly leaving WB jobs on the table and it's costing Delta pilots money because of the lack of availability of those jobs.
It's our own union that agrees not to have the protective and punitive language you suggest Free Bird. I know it's hard to get your head wrapped around it, but our union is all about helping the company's profitability, and that kind of tough language would diminish profitability. They don't consider it a mistake as you assert. They're smart people who negotiate the language they feel will best suit corporate profitability...which will translate to better employee benefits.

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Old 12-16-2014 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright
From Delta's 4th Quarter -Effective Oct 1, 2014 Fleet Summary

757-200 = 122
757-300 = 16

For a total of 138
And over what period of time is it going to go from 138 to ~100?
Old 12-16-2014 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by illini90
As a relatively new guy, I'm don't understand PBS very well...so I need an assist. I've been a line holder for a few months, and was expecting a line again...why not? My bid is easy, just a couple Award lines for 4 day trips and layovers at home. I have a carryover trip, that has 19 hours of credit into Jan. When the schedule came out, it gave me reserve...happened to a few of my buds as well. Here's what the Reasons Report says:

Bid group not attempted: Previous pairing bid group could not build a complete line

What does that mean? Why do so many people below me have a line when they had holiday trips as well?

Help!
You need to go to the DALPA site and download the PBS gouge and then read it carefully. After doing that construct your FEB bid. When you think you have done a good job call the DALPA PBS guys and have them critique it. Do the same for the next 2 or 3 months and your quality of life will improve a lot.
Old 12-16-2014 | 02:15 PM
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Anyone know if we were flying TP avoidance routes in the area that American hit the severe turbulence?
Old 12-16-2014 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
And over what period of time is it going to go from 138 to ~100?
Between now and 2017. In addition the small motored domestic 767's are scheduled to be parked around 2017.
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